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Old 04-16-2018, 03:03 PM   #1
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Question 2019 Gas Sprinter - not much torque? 9 speed transmission

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here is a 20 minute video about the 2019 Sprinter..... a few details sprinkled in it.... you sort of have to watch it all to get the few details. It is not concise.

at about 8:30 they talk about engines coming to the USA for the 2019 model.

We would not want to buy Diesel - dont want to deal with DEF, and dont want to deal with different bio-diesel % worry.... also would like the ability to go into Mexico. (etc)

so assuming we buy the GAS 2019 sprinter.... is the torque they talk about kind of whimpy?

Gas comes with a 9 speed transmission, according to the lady in the video who works for Mercedes.



i should mention ... we'd be getting the 24' 3500 Sprinter.... so not a light vehicle! and we'd have beds / shower / gear in the back.



I know the 9 speed transmission would help.... but .... a bit worried.

thanks.

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Old 04-16-2018, 04:18 PM   #2
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That's not a lot of torque (258 lb-ft).
look at this list... you're down in VW golf territory with those numbers.

Production Car Torque List - Most Powerful Production and Classic Cars List by lb-ft of Torque in Order | Figures, Specs, BHP, Top Speed and More

Ecoboost Transit is 400lb-ft. Rumored to be getting the 10 speed trans for '19.
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Old 04-16-2018, 05:36 PM   #3
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That's not a lot of torque (258 lb-ft).
look at this list... you're down in VW golf territory with those numbers.

Production Car Torque List - Most Powerful Production and Classic Cars List by lb-ft of Torque in Order | Figures, Specs, BHP, Top Speed and More

Ecoboost Transit is 400lb-ft. Rumored to be getting the 10 speed trans for '19.
Unfortunately we really want 4x4 and I dont want to deal with aftermarket conversion on the Transit to 4x4

Plus Transit doesnt come in 24 AFAIK.

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Old 04-16-2018, 06:30 PM   #4
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That's not a lot of torque (258 lb-ft).
look at this list... you're down in VW golf territory with those numbers.

Production Car Torque List - Most Powerful Production and Classic Cars List by lb-ft of Torque in Order | Figures, Specs, BHP, Top Speed and More

Ecoboost Transit is 400lb-ft. Rumored to be getting the 10 speed trans for '19.
Over on the Class B forum - a user there chimed in on my thread there about this concern, and he said

I have a 2014 Sprinter RV with the OM651 I4/7-speed drivetrain. It's specs are:

163 PS (120 kW; 161 hp)@3800, 360 N⋅m (266 lbf⋅ft)@14002400

So, the new gas engine has more horsepower, insignificantly less torque, and two extra gears.

It is a fully-equipped B-van, including four Group 31 batteries, an Onan genset, a large inverter, and a second engine alternator. It is 22 8. Weighs in at around 9500 lbs.

My rig drives like a dream. I am sure the new engines will even better. I wouldn't worry about it.


So that is great news.

:-)

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anyone here with a gas sprinter from an earlier year - how does it drive, engine wise?

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That's basically the same torque my Focus makes, also from a 2.0 liter turbo. The lower HP in the Sprinter basically means its not tuned for high RPMs, so around town, it should feel similar to the diesel, especially with the 9-speed. Remember, gearing can multiply torque, so the deep gears of the 9-speed will get it off the line reasonably well, as long as they don't use a super tall differential ratio.

190 HP in a full size van however, isn't great. You'll probably keep up with traffic, but have no reserve for passing, or towing. On a power/weight ratio, that's worse than my Fiesta 1.0-turbo pulling a 2,000 LB trailer. (5,000 lbs overall, for 40-pounds/horsepower). If you load up a Sprinter to 11,000 pounds, which is likely on an Super-long body, that's pushing 58-lbs/horsepower. That's still half the weight/horsepower compared to semis, but worse than I think any other light vehicle on the market in North America.
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That's basically the same torque my Focus makes, also from a 2.0 liter turbo. The lower HP in the Sprinter basically means its not tuned for high RPMs, so around town, it should feel similar to the diesel, especially with the 9-speed. Remember, gearing can multiply torque, so the deep gears of the 9-speed will get it off the line reasonably well, as long as they don't use a super tall differential ratio.

190 HP in a full size van however, isn't great. You'll probably keep up with traffic, but have no reserve for passing, or towing. On a power/weight ratio, that's worse than my Fiesta 1.0-turbo pulling a 2,000 LB trailer. (5,000 lbs overall, for 40-pounds/horsepower). If you load up a Sprinter to 11,000 pounds, which is likely on an Super-long body, that's pushing 58-lbs/horsepower. That's still half the weight/horsepower compared to semis, but worse than I think any other light vehicle on the market in North America.
thanks for the thoughts.

I can't imagine a scenario in that we would ever tow, but passing... yes.



I cant figure out why they would put such a gutless gas engine in...

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That's the way the rest of the world does it, and always has. We're the only ones who get horsepower.....and 20 cup holders.....And seats wide enough for two.........etc.
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Unfortunately we really want 4x4 and I don’t want to deal with aftermarket conversion on the Transit to 4x4
If you want a 4x4 Sprinter the only engine option will be the V6 Diesel, although for 2019 at least it gets the 7 speed automatic transmission.

The smaller I4 gas and Diesel engines will only be available on 2wd Sprinter models.
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If you want a 4x4 Sprinter the only engine option will be the V6 Diesel, although for 2019 at least it gets the 7 speed automatic transmission.

The smaller I4 gas and Diesel engines will only be available on 2wd Sprinter models.
It is my understanding, from a reliable source, that the 4x4 will be available in gas in 2019.

I hope i am correct.

do you have a web link that indicates v6 Diesel only for 4x4?

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