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04-16-2018, 03:03 PM
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2019 Gas Sprinter - not much torque? 9 speed transmission
Hi all
here is a 20 minute video about the 2019 Sprinter..... a few details sprinkled in it.... you sort of have to watch it all to get the few details. It is not concise.
at about 8:30 they talk about engines coming to the USA for the 2019 model.
We would not want to buy Diesel - dont want to deal with DEF, and dont want to deal with different bio-diesel % worry.... also would like the ability to go into Mexico. (etc)
so assuming we buy the GAS 2019 sprinter.... is the torque they talk about kind of whimpy?
Gas comes with a 9 speed transmission, according to the lady in the video who works for Mercedes.
i should mention ... we'd be getting the 24' 3500 Sprinter.... so not a light vehicle! and we'd have beds / shower / gear in the back.
I know the 9 speed transmission would help.... but .... a bit worried.
thanks.
thanks.
John
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04-16-2018, 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by mgmetalworks
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Unfortunately we really want 4x4 and I don’t want to deal with aftermarket conversion on the Transit to 4x4
Plus Transit doesn’t come in 24’ AFAIK.
;-)
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04-16-2018, 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by mgmetalworks
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Over on the Class B forum - a user there chimed in on my thread there about this concern, and he said
“I have a 2014 Sprinter RV with the OM651 I4/7-speed drivetrain. It's specs are:
163 PS (120 kW; 161 hp)@3800, 360 N⋅m (266 lbf⋅ft)@1400–2400
So, the new gas engine has more horsepower, insignificantly less torque, and two extra gears.
It is a fully-equipped B-van, including four Group 31 batteries, an Onan genset, a large inverter, and a second engine alternator. It is 22’ 8”. Weighs in at around 9500 lbs.
My rig drives like a dream. I am sure the new engines will even better. I wouldn't worry about it.”
So that is great news.
:-)
John
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04-18-2018, 09:59 AM
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anyone here with a gas sprinter from an earlier year - how does it drive, engine wise?
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04-18-2018, 10:24 AM
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That's basically the same torque my Focus makes, also from a 2.0 liter turbo. The lower HP in the Sprinter basically means its not tuned for high RPMs, so around town, it should feel similar to the diesel, especially with the 9-speed. Remember, gearing can multiply torque, so the deep gears of the 9-speed will get it off the line reasonably well, as long as they don't use a super tall differential ratio.
190 HP in a full size van however, isn't great. You'll probably keep up with traffic, but have no reserve for passing, or towing. On a power/weight ratio, that's worse than my Fiesta 1.0-turbo pulling a 2,000 LB trailer. (5,000 lbs overall, for 40-pounds/horsepower). If you load up a Sprinter to 11,000 pounds, which is likely on an Super-long body, that's pushing 58-lbs/horsepower. That's still half the weight/horsepower compared to semis, but worse than I think any other light vehicle on the market in North America.
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04-18-2018, 10:48 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by carringb
That's basically the same torque my Focus makes, also from a 2.0 liter turbo. The lower HP in the Sprinter basically means its not tuned for high RPMs, so around town, it should feel similar to the diesel, especially with the 9-speed. Remember, gearing can multiply torque, so the deep gears of the 9-speed will get it off the line reasonably well, as long as they don't use a super tall differential ratio.
190 HP in a full size van however, isn't great. You'll probably keep up with traffic, but have no reserve for passing, or towing. On a power/weight ratio, that's worse than my Fiesta 1.0-turbo pulling a 2,000 LB trailer. (5,000 lbs overall, for 40-pounds/horsepower). If you load up a Sprinter to 11,000 pounds, which is likely on an Super-long body, that's pushing 58-lbs/horsepower. That's still half the weight/horsepower compared to semis, but worse than I think any other light vehicle on the market in North America.
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thanks for the thoughts.
I can't imagine a scenario in that we would ever tow, but passing... yes.
I cant figure out why they would put such a gutless gas engine in...
thanks
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04-18-2018, 01:50 PM
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That's the way the rest of the world does it, and always has. We're the only ones who get horsepower.....and 20 cup holders.....And seats wide enough for two.... .....etc.
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04-19-2018, 11:16 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LosAngeles
Unfortunately we really want 4x4 and I don’t want to deal with aftermarket conversion on the Transit to 4x4
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If you want a 4x4 Sprinter the only engine option will be the V6 Diesel, although for 2019 at least it gets the 7 speed automatic transmission.
The smaller I4 gas and Diesel engines will only be available on 2wd Sprinter models.
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04-19-2018, 11:45 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PeteM
If you want a 4x4 Sprinter the only engine option will be the V6 Diesel, although for 2019 at least it gets the 7 speed automatic transmission.
The smaller I4 gas and Diesel engines will only be available on 2wd Sprinter models.
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It is my understanding, from a reliable source, that the 4x4 will be available in gas in 2019.
I hope i am correct.
do you have a web link that indicates v6 Diesel only for 4x4?
thanks
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