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Old 06-27-2015, 09:50 PM   #1
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Broken down in Page AZ

I've either got a fuel pump going out, an ignition problem, or severe vapor lock issues, or maybe a combination. I've been battling this for days. I'll explain more as I get to it. Anyway, our trip isn't going so great.
We just got towed to a KOA, a nice place actually, but a parking lot. I'm so glad I have a window unit AC in the van now. It's so damn hot here!

Anyway, stuck here until at least Monday when we can have the van looked at.

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Old 06-27-2015, 09:54 PM   #2
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I broke a shock in Page. Well actually out behind lake powell, but I had the mount welded in page and couldn't find a replacement shock anywhere!

Replace your inline fuel filter at Autozone to start with. It's pretty easy (release the fuel pressure first) and could solve your problem.

I wish I could tell you Page was nice...
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Old 06-27-2015, 09:58 PM   #3
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I have one on board. It's probably the only thing I haven't tried. The only reason I haven't is because I did it recently.
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Old 06-27-2015, 10:29 PM   #4
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Bummer! I hope its an easy (and cheap) fix and you guys are able to get back to your family trip.
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Old 06-27-2015, 10:41 PM   #5
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Re: Broken down in Page AZ

Not that I would expect it, but any trouble codes, or CELs?
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Old 06-27-2015, 11:27 PM   #6
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I have one on board. It's probably the only thing I haven't tried. The only reason I haven't is because I did it recently.
Yeah but it sounds like crap got knocked loose and clogged it (if that's even it) which is in my experience how they usually fail- like all at once, not over a long period.

Also double check your air filter if you haven't... I know someone who drove halfway across Kansas with a mouse nest built in the air box on their van before it started having problems.
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Sorry to hear, there's some great fishing outfits below the dam or check out lone rock, big beach you can camp at on the lake or check out the slot canyons, I think to access you have to take a tour. Good luck with the fix...
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Re: Broken down in Page AZ

Any symptoms before it stopped running? Did it break down while driving or just tai to re-start?
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Old 06-28-2015, 12:35 AM   #9
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Ok, I'll try to piece this together. It's been a bitch of a few days. About a year ago I had some stalling problems which I thought were an overheating coil. I thought this because I replaced my coil with a MSD one when I did the first tune up on my van, and just after that I read about how they often fail. I cooled it down with water, and time, and thought that was the problem so I put the OEM Motorcraft one back on. Fast forward one year. This trip I started getting the same symptom about the time I hit Colorado. Van starts up fine in the morning, then sputters to a halt a couple hours later, usually after a long or steep climb after the summer heat kicks in about midday every day. Just FYI, coolant temp is fine. The cooling system is not overheating. So I researched and came up with probably a bad ignition control module (ICM) probably overheating my coil. I bought a new coil and ICM, then it happened again. I coasted, literally, into a mechanic's shop in Durango yesterday afternoon after repeated stalls, then waits and eventual restarts. He quickly surmised that it was probably vapor lock and not ignition trouble at all. He recommended I fill it with pure gas due to the high ethanol content in the gas sold locally. He said he had seen a lot of vapor lock lately. I got a tow to a pure gas station nearby and filled up (from half to full) with ethanol free 88. The van ran fine the rest of the day, but that was only about an hour. I figured I had put just enough pure in it to solve the vapor lock problem.
Today, we woke up feeling we had conquered the problem and rolled on through Monument Valley. About midday, when the heat kicked in, it stalled again. I was at half tank fuel. I got to thinking this has to be a bad fuel pump, not vapor lock. It overheats at half tank and will restart when you top it off and the pump is cooled by the full tank of fresh fuel, but this time 93 (10% ethanol) because that's all that was available. Wrong again. 30 minutes later it was sputtering and stalling again. So I'm thinking the fuel pump finally died and I had it towed. When it was unloaded off the truck, just like previous times, it started right up and ran long enough to get to my site.

So, fuel pump? Could one go slowly or do they just quit?

Vapor lock? Then how come it wouldn't run today after I waited a half hour or more like in previous days?

Ignition module? Still unsure if it's even ignition related.

I did scan the codes a few times with my cheesy obdI scanner, and I got nothing but a lean bank 1 code.

HELP! I'm sitting here burning vacation days.
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Old 06-28-2015, 01:14 AM   #10
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Re: Broken down in Page AZ

Fuel pumps can go intermittent, but in my experience (on 80s european cars) they don't just start working again without having the crud shaken out of them (a tow might do) or getting a good whack.

A lean condition can indicate an air leak after the MAF. Depending on how things came apart, this can be intermittent and will result in loss of power followed by a stall. I'd check all the plastic ducting. Give it a all a good tug to make sure nothing can create a gap.

Swapping the fuel filter is not only easy, but when you pull the old one, you can dump it into a cup and see if it was full of crud.
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