Japan Fall out Bug Out...but to where???

[NRL]

I'm picking up a Dosimeter (Geiger counter) from ebay. Always wanted one for the van to scan areas we camp, rocks, etc. Scan Food, your Granite Countertop, etc..

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[Zeta]

Nowhere to run, nowhere to hide. Wait until the big one hits Diablo Canyon. Bring marshmallows.

Z

[Aldercrest]

Heck, bring your hard-top, rain-proof van up to the Oregon coast. This is the wettest March recorded. There is so much rain coming down that it's going to wash everything out of the sky before it gets to us.

[lmsewell]

Hi all,

I have spent my whole career (30 + years) in the nuclear industry. My specialty is radiation dosimetry. I live in California.

It is easy to detect very, very, very small quantities of radioactive material. Monitoring stations along the US west coast have and/or will detect very small quantities of radioactive material associated with the ongoing, significant problems at Fukushima. The quantities are millions to billions of times LOWER than that which could cause concern for living things.

You folks have helped me understand all sorts of things about my SMB sitting in my driveway. Maybe I can provide some insight on this topic.

Linda

[carringb]

I'm more concerned about non-radialogical contamination form the Tsunami. There's many pictures of petrochemical plants and other industrial sites that were completely leveled by the tsunami. Those chemicals make their way up the aquatic food chain and onto our dinner tables eventually.

[EMrider]

Originally Posted by lmsewell

Hi all,

I have spent my whole career (30 + years) in the nuclear industry. My specialty is radiation dosimetry. I live in California.

It is easy to detect very, very, very small quantities of radioactive material. Monitoring stations along the US west coast have and/or will detect very small quantities of radioactive material associated with the ongoing, significant problems at Fukushima. The quantities are millions to billions of times LOWER than that which could cause concern for living things.

You folks have helped me understand all sorts of things about my SMB sitting in my driveway. Maybe I can provide some insight on this topic.

Linda

Thanks for letting us know the facts.

As you can easily tell, I think the reporting on this situation in the mainstream media has been beyond irresponsible. The authoratative voice on CBS tells the camera that all the water in cooling pool 4 is gone and that a 'meltdown' is hours away. And then the very next day this same bozo says the exact opposite. I could go on and on here.

Three weeks ago I knew zippo about nuclear reactors. But since the quake, and because I often work in Japan, I have read widely on the topic.....and completely away from mainstream news sources.

Based on facts known at the time, all have suggested as you that the risks are low beyond the immediate area. And even in the immediate area, radiation levels were only briefly at levels that merit concern.

One interesting piece from a nuclear plant design guy at MIT, written a day or two after the quake, argued that there was no cause for hysteria. These 40 year old plants, and the skilled people who run them, were actually doing exactly what they were designed and trained to do. Vent heat as fast as possible. If too much heat was being released from the containment area, guess what, the outer building was designed to blow....just as it did.

It now appears that the final chapter of this story will be that of a 40 year old nuclear facility withstanding stresses 6-8 times beyond its design capacity with no lasting or damaging release of radiation. Will Time run a story on that? No way.

Rant over.......

How do you feel a 'modern' plant have fared under this sort of stress?
R

[TwoVans]

Insight? That's no fun!

Let's try to figure out if an Aluminess bumper is strong enough to win vs a radioactive zombie!!!

[KTMRIDER]

Gooseberry and I hi-tailed it to the desert behind a few mountains to make sure we are safe. So far so good.

[billwilson]

Linda and all

my thoughts are:

Japan or SanO 6 miles from me:

My Cynical Assumptons:

- San Onofre is built ON a fault, but to withstand a 7.0 quake (maybe)
- Japan just had a 9.0, i belive that is like 60 or even 1,000 times bigger
- Also, where i live there are alot of big cliffs, i know they got that
way from sesmic shift not a housing tract developer
- a big earthquake and tsunamie is only a matter of time, 1 week or 100 years
geologic time moves slow

-if the airborn bad stuff is real bad, i dont think they would bother to tell us
(ya can evac all us citizens west of Atlanta)
-if it is pumping out stuff......

option one - stay home, seal up the house
-but HOW to seal up that would really work
-THEN, for how long?
-lets say you stay sealed up nice and safe
then run out of supplies a week or so later and walk outside and breath a lungful
- and that lung full give you cancer or something a year or two later
- or do you pop the hatch, suit up in a contamination suit and drive to somewhere
- but if you gonna drive, you have to decontaminate the car
- not to mention having a problem with crabby neigbors that want your food
or a ride........... (see Zombie Attack websites for that LOL, but in reality...)
(the japanese are being civilized, we would be looting and smashing our neigbors)

option two - bug out
but to where?
it could be a big ass "plume"
example:
the japan "plume" is big ass
lets say the plume is determined to be deadly
we had a weeks warning
IF the govt bothered to tell us the truth
AND we had a week
- where to go? they could stage us in the Mojave like the current movie
but the plume still gets there
- lee side of a mountan, wouldnt help much
- oh, and if ya were bugging out there would be a bit of traffic and folks
wanting your transportation and supplies
- those of us here have a solid "bug out rig" but still, where to go? and how far?

Some considerations:
- close to me and alot of us are abandoned mines
- maybe we pre scout a couple?
- also stash a "cache" as back up

really guys, not being an alarmest or a doom sayer, but we will torch one of the nuke sites eventually by the bad guys, human error or mother nature

I am clear on a "disaster plan" without the nuclear fallout problem
Thats easy, cut and run

a "entire west coast" event would cripple infrastructure
looting/mayhem would be unstoppable

a localized event, the looting/mayhem would be eventually contained
(one week? two weeks?)

there are a ton of apocoliptic sites out there
a broad generalization it that here, you folks are a Bit more mentally stable
(a few exceptions LOL, and of course our dementia for gas guzzeling money pits)

[billwilson]

Non Nuke / Bio Bug out:

IMHO, that is pretty simple
- turn off the gas, lock the door
- bug out in Wilson

Roads impassable:
- grab the bug out bags
- bug out on the mountain bikes

Resupply / Hang out at the Cache