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Old 12-18-2009, 06:34 PM   #1
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Trauma Advice: QuikClot vs Celox

Any EMTs or medical professionals, I've been rounding out my bug-out bag/medical kit, and I've been looking at adding QuikClot or Celox to slow or stop severe bleeding should there be a traumatic injury.

Any advice on which one I should go with, or if there's another suitable product?

[Edit: I should have posted that I have been looking at the QuikClot pads, and not just the powder, which may be what Celox is]


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Old 12-18-2009, 06:37 PM   #2
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Re: Trauma Advice: QuikClot vs Celox

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Any EMTs or medical professionals, I've been rounding out my bug-out bag/medical kit, and I've been looking at adding QuikClot or Celox to slow or stop severe bleeding should there be a traumatic injury.

Any advice on which one I should go with, or if there's another suitable product?


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Old 12-18-2009, 06:44 PM   #3
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Re: Trauma Advice: QuikClot vs Celox

I ordered one from these guys.
http://www.bugoutbagz.com/proddetail.php?prod=DBP003
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Old 12-18-2009, 06:58 PM   #4
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Re: Trauma Advice: QuikClot vs Celox

No problem Bill, but I'll have to dig it out this weekend to inventory the supplies, and also list the items I'll be adding to it. The money adds up quickly, but I'd hate to not have something that I need when I need it.

BTW, my starting point was Bill Burke's recommendations that he provided during one of his training sessions that I took. It was Bill Burke's guidance that was formulated the BOB that Craig bought.


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Old 12-18-2009, 08:01 PM   #5
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Re: Trauma Advice: QuikClot vs Celox

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No problem Bill, but I'll have to dig it out this weekend to inventory the supplies, and also list the items I'll be adding to it. The money adds up quickly, but I'd hate to not have somehting that I need when I need it.

BTW, my starting point was Bill Burke's recommendations that he provided during one of his trianing sessions that I took. It was Bill Burke's guidance that was forumalted the BOB that Craig bought.


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Old 12-20-2009, 11:09 PM   #6
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Re: Trauma Advice: QuikClot vs Celox

First off let me say that I am a ICU RN who gets lots of Traumas from the field...
I am also a Wilderness EMT level trained for remote areas...

So which do you want? Neither....yep DO NOT BUY EITHER...

And here is why...
1) I have personally stopped massive bleeding with direct pressure...that is the safest option
2) You need to be able to clean the wound not trap crap in there.
3) If you really have a massive bleed issue on your hands the person will more than likely be dead before you can get them to help...but if you do get them to help don't make the Dr take more time to dig the crap out of the wound.
4) The stuff was made for military field use where the person will be taken quickly to a top rate trauma bay....you will more than likely take the patient to a small remote medical clinic.

So what should you spend your money on...
Kerlex (rolled bandage) which you can stuff over a bleed and apply direct pressure...
Get a 20 or 60ml syringe so you can flush out the crap from a wound.
Gloves to keep the blood off of you....lots of gloves and check your kit with the change of seasons as the gloves will go bad (break easy)
Then go take a Wilderness First Aid course....I learned tons about remote aid even though I was well experienced in urban med.

Remember it is all about what you are most likely to encounter...
Vehicle crash..
Body part smashed..
campfire/cooking burn...
hand slice with cooking...
stomach aches for bad food or poor hygiene...

Stop the bleeding with direct pressure, clean the wound with water clean enough to drink, bandage with wound and repeat....this will work on all but the stomach...that is all about letting the bad stuff out (nausea or poop) and hydration.

In a bug out bag (where you have to leave your rig) you are more concerned with shelter, water on hand and the ability to filter more, signal, food and the ability to cook more....
Garbage bags (contractor 3mil ones) x5
100ft of real paracord
Adventure Medical Kits pocket survival kit
Tablet stove with a pack of spare tablets
Sierra cup
Oily cup on bottom of naglene bottle (in bottle pack some drink or food)
snack bars
good fixed blade knife
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water filter setup
poncho
wool beanie
first aid kit
and a bit more I can't think of...maybe I should just to out to the rig and get my bag

But most important it has to be within reach of the driver so if your rig rolls or catches fire you can grab and go...

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Old 12-21-2009, 06:06 AM   #7
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Re: Trauma Advice: QuikClot vs Celox

Interesting thoughts. I recall hearing the military pulled some of the stuff for a while until it could get trained properly; there was something about severe burns, although I suppose if you lose you leg, a burn around the wound isn't high on your list of concerns. Have you heard the same?
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Old 12-21-2009, 07:11 AM   #8
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Re: Trauma Advice: QuikClot vs Celox

Thanks for the perspective Lance, I'll have to digest that.

Off the top of my head, it seems to me that QuikClot is an easy to carry, easy to use tool that might just make the difference. Sure, there are basic first aid fundamentals to follow first, but if those aren't working, I'd like to have another tool at my disposal.

Kzemach, as for your question about burns, I think a new formulation came out a few years back, and it might also be why an impregnated gauze product came out.


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Re: Trauma Advice: QuikClot vs Celox

I bought Quick Clot Sport from http://www.bestglide.com/quikclotpage.htm , I am sometimes alone or off on a dirt bike so if I run a sharp limb thru my side then pressure to both sides will be hard as I hike out a few miles. Shoving a Quick clot in my be best. You just have to remember that they are for short term use and you need a hospital to remove it and clean it. I also keep a few in the house and showed the kids how to use one to stop gushing blood if they can't stop it. You never know.......My freinds and family know where to find them and have been asked to shove one in me if I'm knocked out and gushing blood. I don't trust any of their field trauma skills so I think they are worth having around.
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