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Old 11-23-2012, 12:50 PM   #1
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2000 E350 Drivetrain question

Hi guys, I'm looking at a 2000 EB350 SMB V10 quigley conversion that has had very light towing history. It has 109k for mileage and has all maintenance records and is up to date.

In your experience, what kind of mileage can I confidently expect (before rebuild) from that vintage transmission? What kind of mileage can I expect from that era transfer case?
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Old 11-23-2012, 09:35 PM   #2
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Re: 2000 E350 Drivetrain question

My 2000 E350 eb has 177k with no problems, That being said I have seen those trans go away at 100k and some go over 200k. I think its a ticking time bomb. I have thought about getting mine rebuilt so I could pick the time instead of being on a trip and having to deal with it.

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Old 11-23-2012, 10:35 PM   #3
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Re: 2000 E350 Drivetrain question

The 4R100 generally holds up pretty well behind the V10.

My transmission hasn't been touched, except for adding a Magefine Filter and Tru-Cool Max (after the new driving lights blocked airflow). I change the fluid every 60,000 miles by sticking the cooler line in a bucket to pump out the old, then I just refill it. My pan has been off once, at around 175,000 iirc.

Still shifts great. My typical total weight is around 22,000 but it can top 25,000 sometimes. Only about 10% of my driving is without a trailer. I'm coming up on 343,000 miles.

The T-case should last forever as long as you service the fluid periodically, and check for leaks more frequently to make sure it doesn't ever get run low.

The weak point in the vans is the rear axle. I've managed to break mine twice. Once I sheared off a pinion tooth jumping some snowmobiles into the trailer. After that I upgrade to the larger 10.5" rings and pinion, but last fall I split the carrier in half when I jumped the van, and the landing was rougher than expected. I also had 15 people in it and 1,500 pounds on the hitch.



Oh, and i go through lots of wheels. I've bent numerous steelies, and also broken 2 Alcoas and one MKW wheel.

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Old 11-24-2012, 09:17 AM   #4
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Still shifts great. My typical total weight is around 22,000 but it can top 25,000 sometimes. Only about 10% of my driving is without a trailer. I'm coming up on 343,000 miles.
343,000 miles on the trans, that gives me hope.
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Old 11-24-2012, 09:18 AM   #5
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Re: 2000 E350 Drivetrain question

We have a 2001 EB V10 Quigley conversion and the transmission had to be rebuilt while under warranty. I have a friend who, for a long time, was the tech writer for Trailer Life and Motorhome magazines and after I asked him about our transmission problems. He passed my questions on to another tech fellow who is more knowledgeable about transmissions. Here is his response:

In a nutshell, here's the reply from my other tech guy. He wants to use your letter in the RV Clinic column in Trailer Life, so here's his reply:

"Based on the number of complaints Iíve received from readers over the years, these transmissions are fairly trouble prone, especially the converter clutches (the aftermarket makes a lot of H-D
replacements) and the overdrive clutch packs. Burnt fluid and brittle seals are indications of slippage and excessive heat. You probably do a lot of mountain driving in the steep Sierra Nevada range. Iím thinking that the fluid has gotten quite hot a number of times. I recommend flushing the system and using synthetic fluid, install a fluid temperature gauge and monitor it carefully, keeping temps below 275 degrees on grades. ó K.F. "

I mentioned to my friend that Ford told me that it appeared that the transmission had overheated which KF talked about. About that time, Scanguage did an upgrade which added the transmission temperature to one of the outputs. If been closely monitoring the transmission temperature every since. I currently have about 110,000 miles on our SMB.
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Old 11-24-2012, 10:41 AM   #6
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One of my good friends runs a tour company up here in Sequoia np, and he has three econoline vans. Two v10s, a 1997 has 285,000 on it and no problems, all original drivetrain which amazes me. The other v10 is a 2005 I think and no problems as well. The v8 has had the transmission replaced twice and he still has some issues with it apparrently. These vans climb 6000 vert feet multiple times a week, year after year!
Quite honestly, I can't believe how hard these vans are run and how trouble free they are in general!
I am contemplating a new quigley rb passenger van for hauling kids a little better, and one of the sales reps tells me that the newer v8 transmission is much better now? don't know what has changed though.
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Re: 2000 E350 Drivetrain question

This all sounds pretty encouraging. I only have one experience with a ford and that has been my parent's aerostar when I was 15-16 years old and lets just say it is not ripe with fond memories.

Sounds like the v10 has a solid tranny backing it.

That is pretty classic carringb, you got air in a dually van with 15 friends?
I work out of corvallis and newport a couple of times a year, and I have some friends at OSU, so I guess it doesn't come as that much of a surprise. We don't really get much opportunity to jump EB vans down here in San Diego too often, so I recon a stock driveshaft will do.
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Re: 2000 E350 Drivetrain question

V10s have a different transmission than the V8s. (4R100 or 5R110 for the V10s, 4R75 for the V8s. Diesels get the beefier trannys.) It makes some sense the V10 trannys will last longer than the V8 trannys when used (and abused) in the same operating environment.

If you're contemplating a new Quigley may I suggest getting the beefier tranny and if possible get the full-floater rear axle. Same for the final drive ratio, my Quigley came with a 3.73 limited slip, Quigley matches the front ratio. If you wanted 4.10s to run larger tires then order the 4.10s and Quigley will match the front ratio. (Cheaper to do it this way than changing both front and rear gears at a later time.)

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V10s have a different transmission than the V8s. (4R100 or 5R110 for the V10s, 4R75 for the V8s. Diesels get the beefier trannys.) It makes some sense the V10 trannys will last longer than the V8 trannys when used (and abused) in the same operating environment.

If you're contemplating a new Quigley may I suggest getting the beefier tranny and if possible get the full-floater rear axle. Same for the final drive ratio, my Quigley came with a 3.73 limited slip, Quigley matches the front ratio. If you wanted 4.10s to run larger tires then order the 4.10s and Quigley will match the front ratio. (Cheaper to do it this way than changing both front and rear gears at a later time.)

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Ray, some v8's have the 4r100. My 2002 e350 5.4 does, and a semi-float rear axle of all strange combinations.

I suppose perhaps the e250 v8's may have the 4r75.
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Re: 2000 E350 Drivetrain question

The V8 had the 4R100 (and so did the 7.3L PSD) until 2005, when the V10 got the 5R110 TorqueShift (6.0 PSD got that in '04). The V8 then was paired with the 4R75, which seems to hold up okay when used within spec. The predecessor to the 4R100 was the E4OD, used through '98 with the V10 and diesel, and '99 with the v8.

For the V10/4R100 combo, I certainly recommend a trans temp gauge. Mine was fine until I installed the BuckStop. That blocked enough airflow I had to add the large cooler in lieu of the stock cooler.

I installed the Banks TransCommand gauge because it is color coded, so you get good information from the corner of your eye without having to look directly at it and process the numbers. It's a pretty easy install since the transmission has a temp sender port (the Banks gauge is color coded for that sender location). I stuffed the gauge in a triple-gauge A-pillar pod mount. It's not hard to find stuff to monitor beyond the factory cluster. My other gauges are air pressure for the rear air-assist suspension, and also a rear differential temp gauge.
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