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Old 10-11-2009, 12:08 PM   #11
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Re: Engine Preoiler

I used 2 cycle oil (1oz/gal) in the fuel tank to quiet the injectors on the 6.0 PSD. Works quite well.

Here are a couple of threads that talk about 2 stroke oil and other fuel additives:

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1529

viewtopic.php?f=16&t=3363

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Old 10-11-2009, 12:17 PM   #12
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Re: Engine Preoiler

Mike,
No problem. I have already picked up on the 2 stroke lubrication. I have other additives as well but as soon as I run out of them I will be running 2 Stroke soley. I thought it was a good idea myself.
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Old 10-11-2009, 02:12 PM   #13
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Would a pre oiler make any difference on injectors? I thought it just effects bearing surfaces and stuff like that. My worry with additives is about the Hydronic/Airtronic systems I have. They (Espar) suggest not to use additives. Their worry is not about the engine, rather their systems. I'm no expert at all when it comes to additives, oils, or oil systems, but read that lubricating the injector system through the fuel system is very important on the 6.0 engine. I have already had a injector failure. Fords additive claims:
>Designed for diesel engines.
>Boosts the octane rating and fuel ignitability for improved engine starting.
>Increases power.
>Smoother engine operation.
>Improves fuel economy.
>Adds lubrication to the fuel to reduce engine wear and is USDL compliant.

This all sounds typical to all additives but because it's a Ford product, it reduces warrantee issues Ford might try to claim if I'm using other products. At least they won't be able to argue that. The Ford shop pointed out that much of the carbon build up in my manifold and the failed injector was due to failure to use their additive. Because Ford claims that it reduces carbon build up and it improves ignitability, my hope is that the additive will also help the Espar products rather than hurt them. My Espar products have also been plagued by carbon build up. Maybe it's a leap of faith but I'm gonna give it a go and use Fords product.

FWIW we don't use pre oilers, additives, twin filter systems or synthetic oil on our work fleet and don't have many major failures. The shop does oil tests and typically changes the oil around 10-12K. In the past most problems have been turbo charger failures on the Ford engines (7.3 & 6.0) but I think it's more due to how we drive the vehicles. With the emergency vehicles, we don't have time to warm up the engine and a lot of the employees just don't care anyway. With the response vehicles, they have given us remote start and at least now I can let the engine warm up while I put my cloths on. From what it seems this has helped; no turbo failures yet. I've gone through two 7.3's and no turbo failure. The two 6.0's we have in our dept have had the turbo's changed (one 3 times) but after the guys started to warm up and cool down proper they haven't had any more problems. Of course time will tell. Like I said, we drive em hard.

As far as the pre oiler, the guy that had it lived in Washington's cold climate, something I don't really have to deal with. When I'm in freezing temps with my van I use the Hydronic to pre warm the engine, and even though it's probably not near as efficient as a pre oiler, adding one is low on my list. For now I will depend on synthetic oil to help (I hope) with bearing wear. It still seems like a good idea to get oil to bearing surfaces on cold startups.
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Old 10-11-2009, 05:31 PM   #14
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Re: Engine Preoiler

some of the diesel vehicles i have driven over the years up here in ak have had a bypass switch that would allow you to crank the engine without it starting,not exactly a preoiler but your engine is spinning slowly and allowing oil pressure to build ,a cheap easy alternative to a preoiling system
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Re: Engine Preoiler

I've had a Masterlube preoiler tapped into a main oil gallery on an overhauled vintage engine while it's been waiting for the rest of the car to be ready.

Every month or so, I've been drawing a quart or so of oil through the dipstick hole, squirting a squirt of top oil into each sparkplug hole, pressurizing the system until there's detectable oil pressure, and cranking it over for a few seconds until the oil pressure increases.

I don't know if it's doing any good, but it seems logical to keep the bearings and seals lubricated.

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