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Old 06-16-2010, 07:52 AM   #21
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Re: Scangauge now monitors engine oil temp for the 6.0psd.

Last month I had the Service Manager at Colley Ford research this very subject and after a full day and a half he provided me with information from Ford Motor company that stated 15 degree's maximum difference between Oil/ Water Temperature's , with the Water generally being the higher of the two . I used to be right at this Maximum until Zylstra's reconfigured my Thermostat . They now are always very close to one another , never more than a Five Degree difference . This change also dropped my Engine Gas Temperature by twenty degree's on average . All Shawn did was change the Thermostat Spring to open at a lower temperature
I should also note that I had him do a Cat Back Exhaust that has reduced my average overall temperature's by almost ten degree's
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Re: Scangauge now monitors engine oil temp for the 6.0psd.

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Last month I had the Service Manager at Colley Ford research this very subject and after a full day and a half he provided me with information from Ford Motor company that stated 15 degree's maximum difference between Oil/ Water Temperature's , with the Water generally being the higher of the two . I used to be right at this Maximum until Zylstra's reconfigured my Thermostat . They now are always very close to one another , never more than a Five Degree difference . This change also dropped my Engine Gas Temperature by twenty degree's on average . All Shawn did was change the Thermostat Spring to open at a lower temperature
I should also note that I had him do a Cat Back Exhaust that has reduced my average overall temperature's by almost ten degree's
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Thanks Gregg,
Just curious what are your absolute EOT and water temps after a long uphill pull? I think that Shawn did the same change to my thermostat when I visited him a year ago. He also put on a 4" exhaust. I don't have a monitor on EGTs so am not sure how those have changed. Thanks
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Re: Scangauge now monitors engine oil temp for the 6.0psd.

Rob ,
The highest temperatures That I have encountered since the revisions have been 217 degree's for the Water and 213 for the Oil , My EGT at this time was 930 degree's under mild acceleration . Please Note EGT's are an instantaneous phenomena and may have been a little or a lot higher at these temperature's , the split second that one's foot is lightened on the accelerator they drop so I really cannot give you an absolute answer answer Rob
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Re: Scangauge now monitors engine oil temp for the 6.0psd.

After my van is warmed up, the iol temp is always higher than the water temp. Typical on relatively flat road: ECT - 190, EOT - 198

On a really long hill, the water can hit 225, and the oil temp 240.

Since it is an oil cooler that can fail, I would expect the coolant to be cooler than the oil, otherwise it would be an oilheater (as it is while the engine gets up to temp).

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Re: Scangauge now monitors engine oil temp for the 6.0psd.

So I'm looking at the EGR Valve Position Measured and the EGR Valve Position Desired on the scangauge. Do these indicators help to tell if the EGR needs to be pulled/cleaned or replaced?

Is there anything on the scangauge that will help indicate a possible future sensor failure or injector failure?
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Re: Scangauge now monitors engine oil temp for the 6.0psd.

The oil should be the hotter of the two temps generally speaking with no more than a 15 degree spread. The exception being after cresting a long climb, the ECT will drop much faster than the oil which can be a spread of 20 degrees or more for a short period.
Mine usually run 8-10 degrees apart ECT/EOT respectively. Of note, I have never seen my EOT over 235*.
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After my van is warmed up, the iol temp is always higher than the water temp. Typical on relatively flat road: ECT - 190, EOT - 198

On a really long hill, the water can hit 225, and the oil temp 240.

Since it is an oil cooler that can fail, I would expect the coolant to be cooler than the oil, otherwise it would be an oilheater (as it is while the engine gets up to temp).

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My experience has been basically the same (I'm assuming ECT = FwT). On a flat road, my FwT is between 190 and 195 while EOT is between 193 and 199. However, on long climbs, my FwT climbs to around 230 - 235, while EOT is around the same.
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Re: Scangauge now monitors engine oil temp for the 6.0psd.

On mine once the fan kicks in the oil temp drops pretty quickly, but not as quickly as the coolant temp.

The motor defuels at 253F.
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So I'm looking at the EGR Valve Position Measured and the EGR Valve Position Desired on the scangauge. Do these indicators help to tell if the EGR needs to be pulled/cleaned or replaced?

Is there anything on the scangauge that will help indicate a possible future sensor failure or injector failure?
If the measured value is not close to the desired value it indicates that the EGR valve is not operating correctly (sticking). The valves default position is fully closed, 0%. I don't think there are any other "desired vs actual" measures. I keep this list of 6.0 values in my van just in case I need to do some diagnostics on the road. I found it on one of the diesel forums stickies.

KO=KEY ON
LI=LOW IDLE
HI=HIGH IDLE
OR=OPERATING RANGE

FICM Vehicle Power (Volts) (Should be 12 Volts, should not drop below 10.25 for more than 60 seconds, or 9.0 for 4 seconds. TSB 09-24-03)
?TXD: 07E02209CE
?RXF: 0462450906CE
?RXD: 3010
?MTH: 006401000000
?NAM: FVP

KO=12.0 LI=14.0 HI=14.0 OR=10.5-15.5
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FICM Logic Power (Volts) (Should be 12 volts)
?TXD: 07E02209CF
?RXF: 0462450906CF
?RXD: 3010
?MTH: 006401000000
?NAM: FLP

KO=12.0 LI=13.5 HI=13.5 OR=10.5-15.5
?
FICM Main Power (Volts) (Should be 47-48) Your FMP should never dip below 45. If it does, your FICM is toast and needs repaired or replaced.
?TXD: 07E02209D0
?RXF: 0462450906D0
?RXD: 3010
?MTH: 006401000000
?NAM: FMP

KO=47 LI=47.5 HI=47.5 OR=40-52 (yes, that is what it says from Ford)

VGT Duty Cycle (%)
?TXD: 07E022096D
?RXF: 04620509066D
?RXD: 3010
?MTH: 00647FFF0000
?NAM: VGT

KO=0 LI=73 HI=43 OR=0-100 %
?
Engine Oil Temp
?TXD: 07E0221310
?RXF: 046245130610
?RXD: 3010
?MTH: 00090005F05F (00090005FFD8 alternate MTH found)
?NAM: EOT

Engine hot KO=190 LI=190 HI=190 OR= -40 - 302 *F
?
Trans. Fluid Temp
?TXD: 07E1221674
?RXF: 046205160674
?RXD: 3010
?MTH: 000100080000
?NAM: TFT

Horsepower
?TXD: 00
?RXF: 400080000000
?RXD: 0000
?MTH: 000A00240000
?NAM: HPR

?
Inj. Control Press. (ICP / HPOP)
?TXD: 07E0221446
?RXF: 046205140646
?RXD: 3010
?MTH: 003900640000
?NAM: ICP

KO=0 LI=625.5 HI=1400-1450 OR=0-4045


ICP Voltage (Volts)
?TXD: 07E02216AD
?RXF: 0462451606AD
?RXD: 3010
?MTH: 004827100000
?NAM: ICV

KO=0.2 LI=1.0 HI=1.8 OR=.15-4.7 Volts


IPR Duty Cycle
?TXD: 07E0221434
?RXF: 046285140634
?RXD: 3008
?MTH: 0DCA03E8000A
?NAM: IPR %

KO=14.84 LI=24 HI=40.60 OR=0-50 %
?
Throttle Position 1 (Volts)
?TXD: 07E0220917
?RXF: 046245090617
?RXD: 3010
?MTH: 006404000000
?NAM: TP1
?Note: Voltage of the ETC Throttle Position Sensor number 1

KO=4.0 LI=4.0 HI=3.4 OR=0.7 - 4.2 VOLT Accelerator Pedal Track 1
?
Throttle Position 2 (Volts)
?TXD: 07E0220918
?RXF: 046245090618
?RXD: 3010
MTH: 0064040000000
?NAM: TP2
?Note: Voltage of the ETC Throttle Position Sensor number 2


KO=1.4 LI=1.4 HI=1.9 OR=1.4 - 4.1 VOLT Accelerator Pedal Track 2
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Throttle Position Desired (Degrees)
?TXD: 07E022091A
?RXF: 04624509061A
?RXD: 3010
?MTH: 0064020000000
?NAM: TPD
?Note: ETC Commanded Throttle Angle, in degrees.
?
Throttle Position Actual (Degrees)
?TXD: 07E022093C
?RXF: 04624509063C
?RXD: 3010
?MTH: 006402000000
?NAM: TPA
?Note: The measured throttle angle from the throttle sensor inputs.
?
EGR Duty Cycle (Percent)
?TXD: 07E022166E
?RXF: 04620516066E
?RXD: 3010
?MTH: 006440000000
?NAM: EGR

KO=0 LI=0-15 HI=32 OR=0-44 %
?
EGR Throttle Position Control Signal
?TXD: 07E022096C
?RXF: 04620509066C
?RXD: 3010
?MTH: 00647FFF0000
?NAM: ETP
?
EGR Valve Position (mm)
?TXD: 07E022096A
?RXF: 04620509066A
?RXD: 3010
?MTH: 000100010000
?NAM: EVP
?Note: EGR Valve Position in hundredths of a millimeter, where 0 mm indicates a closed EGR valve position.
?
EGR Valve Position Desired (%)
?TXD: 07E02209D2
?RXF: 0462050906D2
?RXD: 3010
?MTH: 00647FFF0000
?NAM: EVD

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

EGR Valve Position Measured (%)
?TXD: 07E02209FE
?RXF: 0462050906FE
?RXD: 3010
?MTH: 00647FFF0000
?NAM: EVM
Note: MEASURED EGR Valve Position, in %, where a low value indicates a closed EGR valve (0 EGR flow), and a high value indicates an open EGR valve.

KO=0 LI=0 HI=9.72 OR=0 - 14 PERCENT
??
EGR Valve Position (Volts 0-5)
?TXD: 07E022167E
?RXF: 04620516067E
?RXD: 3010
?MTH: 000133330000
?NAM: EGV

KO=0.8 LI=0.8 -1.0 HI=1.3 OR=0.6 - 3.5 VOLT
?
Camshaft & Crankshaft Sync (1 = in sync, 0 = not in sync)
?TXD: 07E02209CD
?RXF: 0462050906CD
?RXD: 3000 (3001 alternate)
?MTH: 000100010000
?NAM: SYC

KO=0 LI=1 HI=1 OR 0-1 (NO/YES)
?
Intake Air Temperature 2 (Fahrenheit)
?TXD: 07E02216A8
?RXF: 0462051606A8
?RXD: 3010
?MTH: 000100010000
?NAM: IA2

Engine HOT KO=113 LI=113 HI=113 OR= -40-250 *F




Barometric Pressure
?TXD: 07E0221127
?RXF: 046285110627
?RXD: 3008
?MTH: 003100500000
?NAM: BMP

Here is another BAR if the above one is not working for you. The one below works for me.
Barometric Pressure (PSI)
TXD: 07E0221442
RXF: 046285140642
RXD: 3010
MTH: 001D00500000
NAM: BAR

KO=96.5 (14) LI=96.5 (14) HI=96.5 (14) OR=50 - 120 (7.3 - 17.4) kPa (PSI) ?

Exhaust Back Pressure
?TXD: 07E0221445
?RXF: 046285140645
?RXD: 3010
?MTH: 001D00500000
?NAM: EBP

KO=103 (15) LI=110 (16) HI=110 (16) OR=55 - 607 (8 -88) kPA (PSI)
?
Fuel Level
?TXD: 007E02216C1
?RXF: 0462451606C1
?RXD: 3010
?MTH: 000101480000
?NAM: FL
?
Volume Fuel Desired
?TXD: 07E0221411
?RXF: 046245140611
?RXD: 3010
?MTH: 006400100000
?NAM: VFD
?
Mass Fuel Desired (Milligrams Per Stroke)
?TXD: 07E0221412
?RXF: 046205140612
?RXD: 3010
?MTH: 000100100000
?NAM: MFD

KO=0 LI=7.5 HI=10.7 OR=0-100


Engine Run Time (Minutes)
?TXD: 07DF011F
?RXF: 0441051F
?RXD: 2810
?MTH: 0001003C0000
?NAM: ERT

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Fan Speed Sensor (RPM)
?TXD: 07E022099F
?RXF: 04620509069F
?RXD: 3010
?MTH: 000100040000
?NAM: FSS

KO=0 LI=533 HI=488 OR=0-4000
?
Fan Speed Sensor Duty Cycle (%)
?TXD: 07E022091F
?RXF: 04624509061F
?RXD: 3010
?MTH: 013103E80000
?NAM: FDC


?
Manifold Absolute Pressure (PSI) (BOOST)
?TXD: 07E0221440
?RXF: 046285140640
?RXD: 3010
?MTH: 012203200000
?NAM: PSI

MAP is a standard gauge - but this XGauge is actually better than the standard one. It has a larger range which was needed because the standard gauge tops out around 37 psi absolute (about 22 lbs of boost), which diesels have no problem doing. This one should read well beyond 22lbs of boost.
?With a little tweaking you can adjust this to read boost as you said.
??To do this, just plug in the MAP code - get a reading from it with the key in the on position but the engine off, then based on the reading changed the last 4 digits of the MTH to whatever corresponds to your reading on this table
12.7 FF81
12.8 FF80
12.9 FF7F
13.0 FF7E
13.1 FF7D
13.2 FF7C
13.3 FF7B
13.4 FF7A
13.5 FF79
13.6 FF78
13.7 FF77
13.8 FF76
13.9 FF75
??14.0 -- FF74
?14.1 -- FF73
?14.2 -- FF72
?14.3 -- FF71
?14.4 -- FF70
?14.5 -- FF6F
?14.6 -- FF6E
?14.7 -- FF6D
?14.8 -- FF6C
?14.9 -- FF6B
?15.0 -- FF6A
??So, for example if you got a reading of 14.5 PSI with key on engine off you'd change the MTH to 01220320FF6F and the reading should read 0.0 with key on engine off and would then show how many lbs of boost you were at when the vehicle is running.
?
Injector Timing Before Top Dead Center (Degrees)
?TXD: 07E02209CC
?RXF: 0462850906CC
?RXD: 3010
?MTH: 000A00400000
?NAM: ITM

KO=0 LI=-8.71 HI=+3.5 OR-50 - 50 ANGLE (Degrees) Injector Timing (TDC)

( not sure about the above)
?
Fuel Injector Pulse Width (Microseconds)
?TXD: 07E0221410
?RXF: 046205140610
?RXD: 3010
?MTH: 000800010000
?NAM: FPW


Gear (Transmission Gear)
?TXD: 07E12211B3
?RXF: 0462051106B3
?RXD: 3008
?MTH: 000100020000
?NAM: GER

Self explained


Vehicle Speed Sensor (MPH)
?TXD: 07E02211C1
?RXF: 0462051106C1
?RXD: 3010
?MTH: 000102000000
?NAM: VSS

Self explained


Accelerator Pedal Position (%)
?TXD: 07E02209D4
?RXF: 0462050906D4
?RXD: 3008
?MTH: 000100020000
?NAM: AP%

Key On=0 LI=0 HI=13 Op range=0-17.75 (mine reads up to 99%, not sure why)


DTC Count (Diagnostic Trouble Code Count)
?TXD: 07E0220200
?RXF: 046205020600
?RXD: 3008
?MTH: 000100010000
?NAM: DTC

Counts trouble code cycles

KO=0 LI=0 HI=0 OR=0 - 255




VREF (Calibration Voltage Input)
?TXD: 07E0221155
?RXF: 046245110655
?RXD: 3010
?MTH: 006433330000
?NAM: CVI


KO=4.9 LI=4.9 HI=4.9 OR=4.5 - 5.5 VOLTS Reference Voltage


Net Torque into Torque Converter (Ft-Lbs)
?TXD: 07E02209CB
?RXF: 0462050906CB
?RXD: 3010
?MTH: 000100010000
?NAM: TRQ
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Old 02-26-2013, 05:41 PM   #30
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Thank all of you for your updated information , I now realize that all of the additions and religious changing of fluids has kept my temp's at approximately 5 to 10 degree's lower than your averages with my upper range being at 225 while pulling Bay Ranger and or fully loaded utility trailer up grades that early on would spike at 234 degree's . I also add the Standyne and FOMCO diesel fuel additive with every
Fill up, alternating between the two . I am going to reinstall the Fuel Flow Meter as I have recently been getting GPS validated mileage of 14 to almost 16 plus gallons on our three most recent trips and that makes me wonder if my prior mileage was incorrectly figured , although I doubt it ! We have a tad over 50 thousand miles , most of course are at speed on highways with roughly12 percent off pavement .
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