Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
 
Old 08-20-2014, 09:53 PM   #1
Senior Member
 
gcvt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: SF, CA
Posts: 1,502
Starcool III issues - help needed

I...err rallypanam...recently replaced the line that runs from under the hood to the auxiliary condenser. I was thinking about taking the van in to have the entire system checked out and charged up on Friday. While poking around today, I found some other problems. I tested the AC with the van running and while plugged in to shore power, separately. Both systems running, all breakers on, rear thermostat on max cool, etc.

The auxiliary condenser fan is apparently seized up. Noticed it wasn’t spinning so I shut everything down and tried spinning it with a screwdriver. It won’t move more than about 1/2” in either direction.

Then I went crawling around underneath a little more and noticed that one of the three hoses coming off the compressor wasn’t connected to anything. There’s a lot going on under there since this is the van that someone tore the generator out of without really cleaning up after themselves.

The line running from the auxiliary condenser (4) to the compressor (3) looks fine, and the line running across the van from the evaporator/blower (1) looks good. But the third line, which apparently should be running from the compressor up to a T-fitting near the factory compressor, is just open without any obvious place to connect to.

The idea then became to isolate the Starcool system completely and charge up the factory AC for Labor Day camping, and worry about the Starcool later. Looking at the SMB manual, it doesn’t look like this can be done by simply capping off the line that runs from under the hood to the auxiliary condenser since there’s one line running up front from the evaporator/blower and the disconnected/cut one that should be running up front from the compressor.

Any ideas on where to start with this mess? I tried taking photos but it’s really hard to get good pics up under there.

__________________

__________________
Greg
Old van: 1997 E250 EB30 (Stolen)
New van: 2003 E250 EB10
gcvt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-20-2014, 10:12 PM   #2
Senior Member
 
Scalf77's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Beaverton, OR
Posts: 1,522
Re: Starcool III issues - help needed

I was actually going to do this once, and did a lot of research into it. I actually even purchase a part that, i thought I need to get back to stock. Let me look around and see where I put all that stuff.

-greg
__________________

__________________
2004 E350 EB V10 E/PH 2WD
Scalf77 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-20-2014, 10:42 PM   #3
Senior Member
 
gcvt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: SF, CA
Posts: 1,502
Re: Starcool III issues - help needed

Thanks Greg!

Forgot to mention that after we installed the new line (bottom right of the above pic), rallypanam and I put in one 20oz can of AC Pro Cold which seemed to help a little bit. I assume that's got to be leaking out of the hose coming out of the Starcool compressor, but there is coolish air coming out of both systems. I'm hesitant to waste money on another $40 can of that stuff but really don't want to cross the Central Valley for Labor Day with the windows down. We'll be camping at 3,500 feet with 95/65 temps but I suspect it'll be well over 100 getting there and back.
__________________
Greg
Old van: 1997 E250 EB30 (Stolen)
New van: 2003 E250 EB10
gcvt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-20-2014, 11:18 PM   #4
Senior Member
 
BrianW's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Posts: 3,125
Re: Starcool III issues - help needed

Both my aux fans were seized and I had to replace them last summer. I think I posted the part number and model on the forum somewhere. I'm on Tapatalk now or else I'd search it for you. Not a hard fix, but it did take some time because of rusted bolts, having a front receiver hitch, etc.
BrianW is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-20-2014, 11:41 PM   #5
Senior Member
 
gcvt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: SF, CA
Posts: 1,502
Re: Starcool III issues - help needed

Quote:
Originally Posted by BrianW
Both my aux fans were seized and I had to replace them last summer. I think I posted the part number and model on the forum somewhere. I'm on Tapatalk now or else I'd search it for you. Not a hard fix, but it did take some time because of rusted bolts, having a front receiver hitch, etc.
From this thread? viewtopic.php?f=14&t=9555

Rallypanam shot me that link today

edit: By "both" you mean one fan up front and one underneath, right? Do Danhard's have two fans underneath?
__________________
Greg
Old van: 1997 E250 EB30 (Stolen)
New van: 2003 E250 EB10
gcvt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-21-2014, 08:02 AM   #6
Senior Member
 
BrianW's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Posts: 3,125
Re: Starcool III issues - help needed

Yes, that's the thread. I have a link to where I got mine toward the end, and I think somebody else also posted another part number.

I have a Starcool II (I think, can't recall 100%). It has one underneath, and one in front of the radiator. The radiator one actually starting melting the wiring that ran to it because the motor was trying to turn but the fan wasn't moving, so I guess it was drawing a lot of amps or something. Kept blowing the fuse and finally started smoking (wires) when I had it on to troubleshoot. Glad I saw the smoke right away!
BrianW is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-21-2014, 11:55 AM   #7
Senior Member
 
rallypanam's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: San Francisco/Nevada City
Posts: 3,680
Re: Starcool III issues - help needed

Quote:
Originally Posted by BrianW
Yes, that's the thread. I have a link to where I got mine toward the end, and I think somebody else also posted another part number.

I have a Starcool II (I think, can't recall 100%). It has one underneath, and one in front of the radiator. The radiator one actually starting melting the wiring that ran to it because the motor was trying to turn but the fan wasn't moving, so I guess it was drawing a lot of amps or something. Kept blowing the fuse and finally started smoking (wires) when I had it on to troubleshoot. Glad I saw the smoke right away!
Don't let the smoke out of the wires!!!
rallypanam is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-21-2014, 03:05 PM   #8
Senior Member
 
Scalf77's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Beaverton, OR
Posts: 1,522
Re: Starcool III issues - help needed

Ok, I could not find my diagrams but took some pics.

Here is the Ford Part I purchased



It is going to go and replace



The other end will go under connect to the fitting under this.



This above 1 to 2 fitting (with check valve) is also removed One of those ends

This will also have to be removed and connect to black fitting below.




I am going off of memory from this morning when I snapped the pics, this is on a 2004 V-10, so of course there could be differences. Hope it helps, I never did the change, but at one time was thinking of changing over to the Danhard system.

-greg
__________________
2004 E350 EB V10 E/PH 2WD
Scalf77 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-22-2014, 12:28 PM   #9
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 34
Re: Starcool III issues - help needed

Hey guys, I'm new here and on a shakedown run with my SMB. (I'm overdue with a general into and pics of the rig but was hoping to do that soon).

Anyway, I have the Starcool 3, and running from Ga to MS it ran great in the back. Kids got cold.

We're just visiting relatives (who now want a SMB :-)) and I plugged into their house with an adapter. Turned on the Starcool to see if it would work on shore power. Warm air.

I hear the compressor working and see it shake as it cuts off.

I see the auxiliary condenser can is not coming on. I can slowly rotate it. I know the previous owner lived on a dirt road. Could it be grime that's keeping the fan from turning?

Do I just take off the fan housing and do a clean up?

Just asking here first because I see this is a current thread and it is nasty hot here in MS. So I thought I would try to flesh this out a little more before I go crawling around on the ground.
Ultralite is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-23-2014, 10:20 PM   #10
Senior Member
 
gcvt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: SF, CA
Posts: 1,502
Re: Starcool III issues - help needed

Greg, thanks for the photos and info!

Rallypanam and I had a more in depth look at the system today. It's actually two hoses that are cut. We blocked everything off and put some more refrigerant in. The factory A/C is cold-ish. Certainly not ideal, but it will at least help for Labor Day. Looks like it'll be a pain to get this all figured out once I get back.

Still not sure if this is related to the generator being ripped out.

Anyone recognize this? Pretty sure two of them are coolant lines for the old generator. I assumed the other two were fuel lines for the generator, but it looks like that may not be the case. I wonder if this is where the two cut AC lines are supposed to connect. Somehow I doubt it but I just don't know this stuff well enough to make an educated guess.

__________________

__________________
Greg
Old van: 1997 E250 EB30 (Stolen)
New van: 2003 E250 EB10
gcvt is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3
Disclaimer:

This website is not affiliated with or endorsed by Sportsmobile SIP or any of its affiliates. This is an independent, unofficial site.


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 12:15 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
×