Thanks for that link Herb. Don't want to hijack the thread but I've been after some of these as well. Does anyone have any experience with the black ones? I'm wondering two things. 1. Do they fade, or if so how bad? 2. Is black a bad idea? I kind of want a dark color to absorb heat and be used for hand/dish washing or possibly a shower/hair wash after a sunny, warm day. I realize most people would want to keep their water as cool as possible but I have a ice water cooler inside for drinking water. I am looking for something more related to cleaning and washing for the back bumper, so the warmer the better.