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Originally Posted by WillTheThri11
Looks great...nice that you could import a 3D scan of the van. How did you do that btw? Wondering if I can do this in SolidWorks. Any particular reason you are mounting the bumper on the frame rails vs the stock bumper flanges? Another thought, you may need to box in the "slider" portion from the wheel-well back so it doesn't crush if/when you come down on a rock...Probably also want that square tubing to be same size as your sliders were.
one more thought...you may want to include a cutout and maybe that could double as a hi-lift jacking point...only trying to help take my suggestions or leave them...I love this project!
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Thanks for the compliments! The app I used for the 3D scan is called
Polycam. It uses the lidar camera and the regular camera on your phone to capture the 3D scan. It works decently for some things, but with most 3D scanners reflections are not their friend, so that's why this scan looks so lumpy and has so much of it missing. From your phone, you can export it into a bunch of different file formats as a mesh model, so I am pretty sure it would work for Solidworks.
I was thinking of mounting to the frame rails and modifying the stock bumper flanges as I felt like the stock mounting points wouldn't be strong enough to keep everything rigid. There is quite a bit of force on the mounting points especially when the swingouts are open as it creates a lot of leverage so I figured if I could mount further back on the frame in multiple spots it may help keep everything really rigid.
The only reason why I didn't box that section on this model is that I am trying to not have to cut the body at that point if I can avoid it. The body hangs down on the sides which prevents me from doing a fully boxed section but you bring up a good point. I should look at it more and probably at least add some extra gussets through there.
I was planning on making the square tube the same size as the connection pieces on my sliders and I'll probably use a similar mounting plate.
I had played around with adding two jacking points on either side for a Hi-Lift but didn't like the way it was looking. So after some searching, I found a product called The
D-Lift Adaptor. It connects the jack to the recovery point of the bumper which then allows for the functionality of a jacking point without the look of a hole in the face of the bumper. So currently that is what I was thinking I could use as a jacking point.
I really appreciate the suggestions and comments on the design, and I am glad you are enjoying following along on this one!
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Originally Posted by Vanimal
Your pics and idea are great. The main thought should be focused on what kind of wheeling you will do. If you doing beach and 1 to 2 out of 5 trails then you can load and add all you want. With that said your accessories will only be your challenge which ones and where to put them. Sometimes we can over think things.
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Thank you! I know that I am probably going overkill on this bumper design. I am not planning on hitting it all the time but I would rather be ready for those harder trails especially if I am going through all this effort and money to build it. No matter what the goal is to find the balance between functionality, strength, and weight.
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Originally Posted by boywonder
This iteration looks very nice!
Can you calculate the weight in Fusion360? I'm unclear what Fusion360 offers that Solidworks doesn't......other than it's lots more affordable.
...a couple of comments......
The spindles for the swingarms are going to see large bending moments. Have you played with an aluminess setup that has stuff in the box? Open and close either swingarm, there is a lot of weight cantilevered out there on both sides.
When closed, Aluminess has delrin ramps that help support the arms screwed into the top of the bumper, I did a similar thing.
I would have the spindles extend down through the bumper and welded to the lower bumper surface, you will need that extra "wheelbase" for stiffness.
It may have been discussed in my bumper thread (can't remember) but you could consider using some modern "unit bearing" assemblies from front or rear hubs as the spindle support. They are kind of perfect for this, a dual row set of beefy bearings in a flanged hub with holes in the flange.
I see you have a stiffener across the rear section of the bumper, but you still have a fair bit of open cross section. If you can box in more of the cross section that will increase your section modulus a lot.
I would also triangulate the flanged spare tire support for added stiffness.
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Thank you!
So far I have been impressed with Fusion 360. The last program that I used similar to this was Solidworks, but that was probably over 10 years ago so it's been a bit of an adjustment as I have been relearning workflow and process of it. The biggest benefit for me is that it's an Autodesk product and is much more affordable!
I was able to calculate the weight in Fusion 360, and so far with how it is designed it's coming in at around 260 lbs for the bumper and the swing arms. It's a heavy one! Compared to other bumpers with similar designs for vehicles like Tacomas and 4Runners it's about the same weight so considering this one is for a full size rig I guess it's probably right on par. Currently, it's pretty much designed with almost every part being 3/16" or 1/4" steel. I think there are a few areas where I could cut some weight and possibly thin some of the material down to 1/8" in some limited areas, but not entirely sure about that one yet.
- There is a lot of weight on either side for this design. I have tried to do some structural analysis using Fusion, but have yet to figure out how to actually use that stuff. I know it can do that, but I'm still very green on this program. Also, I should mention I am by no means an engineer, so some of these ideas are purely based on me looking at existing products and figuring if "x" product can handle this then this should be able to do that. So I appreciate the input on here from people who are more credentialed than me.
- It's hard to see in the model but I did put in some Delrin pads exactly how you did on your bumper! I figure the more support the better.
- Extending the spindles through the bumper is a good idea. I had thought of doing something like that before, but the biggest problem I saw was that the off the shelf spindle kits only have a depth of +-4". So they wouldn't have enough depth to connect the top and bottom. That is something I will need to look at more closely though.
- I hadn't been looking at using a unit-bearing setup, but it's a good idea and something I will have to look into more. I was planning on using a dual tapered roller bearing setup as they are serviceable and already have lots of off the shelf options for spindles.
- I appreciate the incites on this! My goal was to add some strength while also minimizing the weight as much as possible. I may have gone too far to the minimizing weight side of that scale. I was thinking that since it was all 3/16" steel it would still be strong enough, but that is something I will have to look back at. Now if only I could figure out the structural analysis part of Fusion360.
- Adding a triangulate flanged for the spare tire support is a great idea and something I am going to for sure do! Looking back at it I think there are a few areas in which adding some gussets would be a good idea.
Thank you again to everyone for your questions and suggestions! As I have said before I am out of my depth on this project but that is part of the process that I enjoy. So really any and all suggestions and comments are super helpful and much appreciated.