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Old 08-20-2011, 10:59 AM   #11
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Re: Shade, Shadow and Junk on a Kyocera 185w panel

Fascinating. Looks like the bottom line dirt and shade are amp robbers, avoid at all costs. It would be interesting to see this test on other panels from different manufacturers.

One thing I did notice is that the orientation of the shadow seemed to make a difference. At 2:24 to 2:36 the orientation of the shadow changes and the amps are not the same even though the same number of cells are covered. With the cardboard running up and down the amps are 1.8 with one row covered. With the cardboard running across the amps were 3.2 with the same number of cells covered. This must relate to how the individual cells are wired within the panel.

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Old 08-20-2011, 05:28 PM   #12
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Re: Shade, Shadow and Junk on a Kyocera 185w panel

larrie, I noticed that too, as well as the shadow vs. direct placement on the panel. If you were mounting under a roof rack, orientation might make a huge difference.

I also wonder about the drop to zero, and the bounce back right at the end of the blanket- would the result have been the same from the opposite side of the panel?

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Old 08-21-2011, 08:12 AM   #13
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Re: Shade, Shadow and Junk on a Kyocera 185w panel

Thank you very much for this experiment. Very interesting. I had heard of how much shadows and other objects block the solar panels, but had no way of visualizing it. Much appreciated Jage!
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Old 08-21-2011, 10:38 PM   #14
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Re: Shade, Shadow and Junk on a Kyocera 185w panel

I recall a thread about 5 years ago, perhaps on the old smb-owners list, that, as I recall, indicated glass "kyocera type" panels were more efficient, but far more sensitive to even a very small shadeing, while the thin rubber type panels were less efficient, but far more forgiving of partial shading.
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Re: Shade, Shadow and Junk on a Kyocera 185w panel

Scatter has the flexible panels, 3 I think, and they seem to work pretty well even in partial shade.
Maybe he'll kick in with a report.
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Old 08-22-2011, 03:48 PM   #16
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Re: Shade, Shadow and Junk on a Kyocera 185w panel

I originally had 3 Solara panels made for the boating crowd. They didn't seem to be as affected as my 2 Kyrocera's but that was 3 smaller panels against 2 larger and the shadowing was from trees. I know the Solara panels are made to work better in dim or shadowed light. My guess is even the Solara's would be troubled with knocking out a line of cells though. From what was posted on the other thread here about solar, it sounded like the Kyocera 135's are set up for handling shadowing but I'd still think they would react poorly when a full line of connected cells are blocked. Just a guess on my part.
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Old 08-22-2011, 05:40 PM   #17
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Re: Shade, Shadow and Junk on a Kyocera 185w panel

There is a huge difference between shadowing and blocking cells. In complete tree shadow I typically get about 50% charge (compared to full, direct sun). But, if you have some leaves or other debris on your solar panel you may get closer to 0. Or not, depending on what it blocks.

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