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03-09-2020, 05:39 PM
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Chevy - throwing down the gauntlet
Chevy is putting a 401 HP, 464 lb-ft V8 engine in their full size van.
https://jalopnik.com/chevy-is-puttin...cussion-region
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03-09-2020, 06:44 PM
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Yeah boy. Gotta compete with the 7.3 even though Ford isn't putting them in a van as far as I know.
Wonder about retrofitting... 
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03-10-2020, 09:11 AM
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retrofitting
Not a fan of ANY Ford motor!!
Cummins conversion!! 
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03-10-2020, 11:10 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Megalovon
Not a fan of ANY Ford motor!!
Cummins conversion!! |
That's all every van needs...an extra 500 pounds over the front axle to smooth out the ride and help it float over the soft spots on the trail.....
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03-10-2020, 11:53 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by deserteagle56
That's all every van needs...an extra 500 pounds over the front axle to smooth out the ride and help it float over the soft spots on the trail.....
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7.3L = 920lbs
6.0L = 966lbs
6.7L Cummins = 1120lbs
It's only slightly heavier than the diesels that came in the Ford vans...and you can shave some weight off of the Cummins pretty easily. 
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03-10-2020, 11:55 AM
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Actually a Cummins 12valve is only a little over 200lbs heavier than the stock 6.0 that originally came in my van. It didn't run of course! Just curious how much a V10 weights?
Anyhow I get your point about weight, none of the above engines would be ideal for an extreme off road machine. Personally I am building a highway rig that can haul and pull a lot of weight, and has basic 4x4 capabilities.
And I was out of line when I said I was not a fan of any Ford motor, I had a early 90's Ford pickup with a straight six in it and it was awesome!
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03-10-2020, 12:17 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by marret
Yeah boy. Gotta compete with the 7.3 even though Ford isn't putting them in a van as far as I know.
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The 7.3L in the E-series is now shipping. Of course, if you want a van body, you'll have to wait in line for the SMB Classic. Or swap a used van body onto a new cutaway-chassis.
One important note.. Because of the GVWR, the Ford 7.3L is dyno-certified in the E-series, which reports far lower numbers. But Ford says only the certification method differs, and the programming is the same (unlike the 3-valve V10 or the 6.7PSD). When chassis-certified the 7.3L is rated at 430 hp at 5,500 rpm and 475 lb-ft at 4,000 rpm.
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03-10-2020, 12:22 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by carringb
One important note.. Because of the GVWR, the Ford 7.3L is dyno-certified in the E-series, which reports far lower numbers. But Ford says only the certification method differs, and the programming is the same (unlike the 3-valve V10 or the 6.7PSD). When chassis-certified the 7.3L is rated at 430 hp at 5,500 rpm and 475 lb-ft at 4,000 rpm.
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Do you know if the same PCM and same OS are used on the Eseries 7.3? Or is it like the Transit 3.5L Ecoboost which is essentially the same Ecoboost used in other models but the PCM and operating system are different with different fuel and spark tables so there isn't a possibility of using say, F150 tunes directly on a Transit?
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03-10-2020, 12:45 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mgmetalworks
7.3L = 920lbs
6.0L = 966lbs
6.7L Cummins = 1120lbs
It's only slightly heavier than the diesels that came in the Ford vans...and you can shave some weight off of the Cummins pretty easily. |
I was comparing the weight of the Cummins diesel to the weight of the v10 gas engine in my van...difference is about 500 pounds.
I am not prejudiced against the Cummins - I've owned one for many years. Latest is in a 3500 dually. But in a rig that has to travel off the beaten path a lot like my van - weight is the enemy.
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03-10-2020, 12:48 PM
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Unfortunately I can't find that info yet either. I don't see parts listings for the 2021. They did change the chassis wiring harness, and went to the F-series cluster. But since they aren't sharing transmissions yet, and I don't think the E-series is getting EPAS like the new F-series, I could see them still using a different PCM. But it should updated at least for Adaptive Cruise and auto braking, so hopefully tunes will be compatible. The only other info I can find is on of Ford's press releases saying all calibrations are common, except the optional E-series "economy" calibration (which I suspect is intended for U-haul and the like).
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