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buddy 08-06-2018 12:24 PM

undoing Quigley suspension
 
Im looking at a van that has the Quigley 4x4 installed. From reading on this forum the suspension that comes with the Quigley upgrade is not that good. How much labor and cost would it take to change out the Quigley suspension? What would be the best option to change it to. The van seems to be a very fair price (around 34k for an 06, v10 low miles)is the only reason I'm considering it knowing the suspension will probably have to be changed. I might have to factor this into the overall price.

Grampswrx 08-06-2018 12:41 PM

You can update the suspension with an Agile RIP kit that drastically improves the ride (from what I have heard). I would imagine it runs about $5k installed. They don't have a price on their website, but its new springs and shocks, so essentially a lift kit and that is what they usually run. Maybe $7500.

bigriver 08-06-2018 01:01 PM

Man If I were you I'd put some miles on it first before dumping a bunch of $ on it. We have 135K on our E350 w/Quigley 4x4 and we are quite satisfied by the ride and handling. I'm sure it could be improved but never have felt the need.

Joe

WhitH 08-06-2018 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by bigriver (Post 232555)
Man If I were you I'd put some miles on it first before dumping a bunch of $ on it. We have 135K on our E350 w/Quigley 4x4 and we are quite satisfied by the ride and handling. I'm sure it could be improved but never have felt the need.

Joe


Agreed. I've had two Quigleys (E350 and now Express 3500) and once i had Agile do some magic was happy with both. If its a Ford you can be into it with new front springs, 4 shocks, and a revised rear leaf pack for a few grand installed I'd think. I don't remember exactly though because that was a few years ago and I did some of the work myself.

MrHenrietta 08-06-2018 02:55 PM

I improved mine by adding heavier duty shocks, springs and fox/agile steering stabilizer. Can't remember the exact cost but It was probably around $3k. I'm very happy with the upgrades so far.

shenrie 08-06-2018 03:27 PM

Most definitely drive it and identify what you donít like before just spending money!!

Plus, you wonít really be replacing any of Quigleys parts unless you go with another companies conversion like expo vans, ujoint, or agile. What you need to replace are ill matched parts that Quigley installed with their conversion. Shocks, springs, stabilizers, etc. What agile offers is the best option hands down without a serious chunk of change and reconverting your van.

Iím quite happy with everything agile has assisted with. Only thing I have left is to get a good steering box and replace my worn out leafs in the rear. Iím likely going with a redhead box and using a local spring company once the buildout is complete inside specifically so they are matched perfectly with weight of van and intended load on rear hitch.

Feel free to ask questions as many here have Quigley vans on this forum. Lots of real world experience to be had with this group ;)

mikracer 08-06-2018 03:42 PM

As others have said, no need to pay the premium for a converted van just to have it replaced with another conversion. Either buy the Quigley and get the RIP kit from Agile Offroad or buy a stock van and have it converted by the company of your choice.

I've had 2 Quigleys and they both were constantly hitting the bumpstops with even the smallest bumps in the road. The RIP kit gets you a taller spring and more importantly the properly valved shocks for these heavy vans.

Annie O 08-06-2018 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by shenrie (Post 232558)
Most definitely drive it and identify what you donít like before just spending money!!...
Iím quite happy with everything agile has assisted with. Only thing I have left is to get a good steering box and replace my worn out leafs in the rear. Iím likely going with a redhead box and using a local spring company once the buildout is complete inside specifically so they are matched perfectly with weight of van and intended load on rear hitch.

Feel free to ask questions as many here have Quigley vans on this forum. Lots of real world experience to be had with this group ;)


Ditto on driving it FIRST. And imho using it prior to designing a build out is good too, unless you know from experience exasctyl what uyou want.


Also, not to threadjack but



SHENRIE: Hi, what can you tell me about the redhead steering box? I'm just today decided to go with a rebuild box... any wisdom to share, or input? I'll PM you
Thanks!

Bellpilot 08-06-2018 06:06 PM

I had John at Agile install the RIP Kit on my last van. Front springs, steering stabilizer, all new shocks, dropped the sway bar, rear add a leaf and overload springs and it cost me about $3,000. Money well spent but I drove the Quigley 100,000 miles before I cut loose with the money.

86Scotty 08-06-2018 08:54 PM

Wow, Agile has gone up! IIRC my Fox shocks were about $150 apiece, Moog front coils were about $100 and larger spring blocks for the rear about $50. Plus a day's labor in my driveway and all my stuff that came off was rusting to bits. Oh, steering stablilzer and brackets maybe $200 more. I'm coming up with less than $1k. Has it gone up that much?

Bellpilot 08-06-2018 09:53 PM

Just looked it up. $2500. Big list of parts as well I can send to anyone interested.

buddy 08-06-2018 10:02 PM

Thanks for all of the input. All great advice. Im still in talks with the owner but hoping we can work something out in the next day or two. I think I will go with the drive it for a while and see option. If this one doesnt work out maybe I will buy a stock van and build it out myself. I really like the regular body as it will be my daily driver also, but it doesn't seem like there are many out there.

buddy 08-06-2018 10:03 PM

Bellpilot if you have that list handy can you send it my way. Buddy21218@verizon.net Thanks

Bellpilot 08-06-2018 11:18 PM

Buddy, will send it your way tomorrow.

Francois 08-07-2018 10:24 AM

The RIP package from Agile was the best upgrade in did to my van. I lived for 125k miles with the stock Quidley and should have done the upgrade a long time ago.

LastBlackE350 08-07-2018 02:23 PM

I self installed the full RIP kit on my Quigley at 6k miles. Properly valved shocks and springs will transform ANY vehicles handling.

Bellpilot 08-07-2018 07:37 PM

Hi Buddy, I just sent you the list of parts John w/Agile installed my van for the RIP Kit.

deserteagle56 08-08-2018 07:56 AM

As others have said, drive it first before deciding. I have a 2007 Quigley conversion, and I've had multiple 4x4 trucks (Dodge 3500 right now) plus a Jeep and the Quigley rides as good and handles just as good as the pickups and definitely rides better than the Wrangler! I don't understand whether Quigley had different conversions for different years but 11 years in I still have over 2-1/2" of clearance between the front axle and the bump stops which is the same as my Dodge and Ford pickups. So I've never had any excessive bottoming of the front axle. Seems to be the same as the pickups. And because the wheelbase is so much shorter than the pickups, this van is much more maneuverable off road.

Annie O 08-08-2018 09:11 AM

YES John told me a few weeks ago Fox has raised prices and indicated another price increase for 2018. Bummer.


My son is a Yota 4x4 driver and had other advice :rolleyes:



Quote:

Originally Posted by 86Scotty (Post 232585)
Wow, Agile has gone up! IIRC my Fox shocks were about $150 apiece, Moog front coils were about $100 and larger spring blocks for the rear about $50. Plus a day's labor in my driveway and all my stuff that came off was rusting to bits. Oh, steering stablilzer and brackets maybe $200 more. I'm coming up with less than $1k. Has it gone up that much?


adventurevan5 08-12-2018 11:18 AM

I would drive it for a bit see how youíre going to load it and then like everyone else has said touch base with agile off road. We ended up driving our van for about a year until I figured out how everything was going to be laid out and how the weight affected the van before I got in contact with agile off road. Well worth the cost.

Fool120 08-14-2018 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 86Scotty (Post 232585)
Wow, Agile has gone up! IIRC my Fox shocks were about $150 apiece, Moog front coils were about $100 and larger spring blocks for the rear about $50. Plus a day's labor in my driveway and all my stuff that came off was rusting to bits. Oh, steering stablilzer and brackets maybe $200 more. I'm coming up with less than $1k. Has it gone up that much?

I too, put on most of the Agile RIP kit, in my driveway: front coils, 4 Fox shocks, steering stabilizer, and antisway bar brackets and bushings. Spent a bit over $1k. Ready to now change out the rear springs too. The change with the Agile kit was amazing, from a bouncy, bottoming out, harsh ride, to smooth comfortable ride that's also better in the dirt. Night and Day.

Cali Native 08-20-2018 11:13 AM

Sure wish I'd got the coil over instead of the leaf spring front.
There's not a whole lot you can do on mine other than Fox shocks which I think help quite a bit but not according to the wife .
I also talked to Agile who conceded they had experimented some and gave up on modding the leaf spring Dynatrac front ends.
It is just such a stiff ride at this stage we'll probably be selling soon.


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