E250 vs. 350

[joerosh]

This question has probably been answered somewhere on this forum but I haven't found it. I'm looking for the main differences between the E250 and E350...(assuming the same engine)...can someone enlighten me? Assuming the buildout is an average weight, is the 350 necessary?

 

[Ford_6L_E350]

Yes.

Even with a 350, many, if not most, of our vans are over the GVWR. With a 250 it would be much worse.

Mike

 

[joerosh]

I know you have a diesel, but what do you think of a 350 with the 5.4L engine?

 

[j.whitbread]

V8's have powered pickups and more for years. They are perfectly suited to the task.

I would add that the transmission with Tow Haul that comes with the more powerful engines is a consideration too. They work great!

 

[Burklin]

Our first SMB was a 2002 with the 7.3 PSD with 19 days in the shop. I now have 2006 4X4 SMB with the 6.0 PSD and with 44k miles; it has been in the shop twice, for a total of 9 days. It’s a good thing that Ford has discontinued their relationship with International Harvester. I hope Ford gets it right with the 6.7 diesel. Most likely the 6.7 diesel will not be offered in the Van.

That being said, our next SMB 4X4 will be an E350 with the 5.4L. We don’t tow, we just bump around on trails and the highway. Lots of mechanics here and in Mexico are familiar with the 5.4L and parts are abundant. I look at the additional cost of the last two diesels; I’d be money ahead even if I had to be replacing 5.4L short blocks and transmissions.

I did talk to one SMB owner with a 4X4 and 5.4L from Carmel, and he stated he was perfectly happy with the performance.

 

[Ford_6L_E350]

Unless you need to tow heavy trailers, the 5.4L should be adequate. And it may do an acceptable job of hauling a trailer also.

Shoot, my dad pulls a 6000# trailer with a 5.3L pickup without difficulty. He doesn't go more than about 60 with the trailer, but he pulls it up hills.

If I was to do it over, I'd opt for the 5.4L engine and save the money.

Mike

 

[surfgeek33]

This question has probably been answered somewhere on this forum but I haven't found it. I'm looking for the main differences between the E250 and E350...(assuming the same engine)...can someone enlighten me? Assuming the buildout is an average weight, is the 350 necessary?

I would suggest a 350 if you had a choice. More is good, especially for 10,000# + rigs. Good Luck.

Ray

 

[joerosh]

the consensus seems to be a 350 with a 5.4L...thanks for the help. ps-thanks for costing me more money too! :a1:

 

[Ford_6L_E350]

the consensus seems to be a 350 with a 5.4L...thanks for the help. ps-thanks for costing me more money too! :a1:

You don't think the spending stops when you buy the SMB, do you?

Mike

 

[unimogdave]

Keep in mind the 350 has the larger tranny (4r100) than 250. I have a 2002 5.4 and very happy with it,but i don't tow. I would go bigger and be save. By the way the frames are the same and the rear axle is probable a dana 44 but not sure, maybe some one can comment on that..

Dave

 

[joerosh]

if well maintained, how many miles should a 350 with a 5.4L be good for? over 200K? also, in a nutshell, can someone tell me the main differences between the 350xl and 350 xlt?

 

[carringb]

Keep in mind the 350 has the larger tranny (4r100) than 250. I have a 2002 5.4 and very happy with it,but i don't tow. I would go bigger and be save. By the way the frames are the same and the rear axle is probable a dana 44 but not sure, maybe some one can comment on that..

Dave

On the newer vans, this is not necessarily true. To get the larger tranny (5R110), you have to get a motor bigger than the 5.4L. Otherwise, it will have the 4R75 whether it is a 350 or 250. The exception is cutaway E350s, which get the 5R110 with the 5.4L. For says they use the 4R75 in the 5.4L because it provides about 7-10% better city fuel economy.

 

[joey2cool]

After weighing the options, I picked up some Ford "facts" along the way (the other whey). :c1:

BACKGROUND: I'll brave it here and admit I'm not going 4x4, although I admire and sometimes envy them from a far (a rocky/dusty/muddy far) and I'm not planning on towing much of anything - perhaps a 3,000 pound trailer and object (<300 lb. of tongue weight), but seldom if ever. You could call me conservative.

2010 Ford RB (Single Rear Wheel)
5.4L SEFE V8 330 FFV (nixed diesel on account of cost without need for extra power)
E250 and E350 Super Duty
Axle Ratio 3.73 or 4.10 w/semi-floating rear axle (E24/S24 and E34/S34 which are SMB standard list price options. Ford has a 4.56 axle ratio and full floating options; this increases towing capacity, but not so much cargo carry capacity)
4-speed auto O/D (4R75W) (excluded 5-speed option - 5R110W; a towing thing again)

E250 / E350
GCWR (gross combined weight rating; vehicle w/fully loaded trailer) = 13,000 lb. / same
Rear Axle capacity = 5,520 lb. / 6,340 lb. (PAY CLOSE ATTENTION HERE)
GVWR (gross vehicle weight rating) = 9,000 lb. / 9,500 lb.
UVW (unloaded vehicle weight, sometimes called curb weight) = 6,900 lb. / 7,900 lb.
CCC (cargo carry capacity) = GVWR - UVW = 2,100 lb. / 1,600 lb. (PAY CLOSE ATTENTION HERE)
Payload = GVW - Curb Mass - Occupants = 3,507 lb. / 2,917 lb.

Note: Kurb Weight, Curb Mass, Curb Weight, and UVW terms and thus data can vary (e.g., some calcs include driver and optional equipment, and occupant weight is not a standard figure). The math doesn't exactly add up, but it's close.

After carefully weighing the options, and putting about 2,000 lb. of luxury into the van (including 4 passengers @ 150 lb. ea.), I'm thinking about buying a James Bond passenger seat. :b2:

Near as I can tell, the E250 has better milage, lower insurance cost, and lower vehicle registration fees (in WA State), and a wee bit lower overall maintenance and repair cost than the E350. Depending on your driving habits, how much you're pulling, and how many steep hills you climb, the heftier transmission may last longer. Seems like it comes down to a trade-off between towing and carrying (the difference is not how much weight, but whether it is carried or pulled).

There may be a slight difference in the vertical center of gravity too (load height on curb and overall height is about 1" lower on the E350) - important if you're concerned about rolling over, more than how much cargo you can carry. I digress. There's a separate thread about weight and moment, but it lacks sufficient traction for decision making.

P.S. I love this forum. :b5: Really enjoy checking in now and then to see what SMB hard cores have to say. :a4: Good people!