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Deltakilo7

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Hi. I just discovered this forum and will be searching it for ideas but just wanted to introduce myself first. I'm a recently retired woman looking for a vehicle to hit the road with this Fall. I'll be traveling to the Southwest to escape the snow, to grieve and scatter some ashes.

Currently I'm driving a pickup truck which we (my son and I) had just purchased in May for a grandiose spruce up project on our little farm. We hauled some mulch and compost for one month then in early June my son went to work and never came home. He had a heart attack and was gone even before the paramedics arrived.

Long story short I mainly want to get away from this place and all the reminders and visit my daughter in Colorado. I've been searching for the perfect boondocking vehicle and almost traded the truck for a minivan because I was so eager to leave and at least have a place to sleep. But I didn't because I actually want a larger van that I could stand up in or at least have a computer desk (will be going back to work soon, remote IT), and maybe spend some serious time in the van. I've looked at high roof cargo vans but can't seem to find one with windows on the side. I've looked at WeeRoll towables but there's a 4 month wait. I just keep looking on CarGurus and things like that. Going to a dealer is difficult for me and I feel they see me coming and take advantage more than usual. Don't know if it's true or not but I feel like a lamb going to slaughter when walking onto a car lot. I've been told that the trade in value is so low because my truck will become a 2 owner vehicle with only 13,500 miles and that raises suspicion in a buyer.

Please stop me from getting a minivan! There has got to be something better. I just don't know how to find it. Sorry for the long sad story.
 
Welcome! And sorry for your loss.

Here's my experience: Here in Colorado it takes me a lot of time to find a van worth buying and working on. For me to get a good base to flip there's a few key things I look for.
1. NO hitch, if it has a hitch, I walk away
2. 160k or less with records
3. Can NOT be a construction, oil field, or tourist shuttle vehicle
4. Absolutely no leaks from anywhere

I try and find something that is a church, corporate, personal or lease vehicle. My 2010 van was bought from Centenial Airport (private). Had 70k miles, mint condition and all records, cost two years ago was $14k. The '99 hightop that I flipped was a lease vehicle for handicap people, had a lift (donated the lift for free) and 150k on it. It had all the maintenance records but like most vehicles from a lease company, it had all the maintenance done but had never been washed, ever, got it for $2k, sold for $7k. The other regular top van I just sold was a '99 from a church with 120k, bought for $1600 and sold for $6k. They sold it to me for cheap because it had a ABS/Brake light on the dash and the dealership said it was unsafe to drive and would cost $900 to repair. It was a $12 speed sensor on the rear diff. Dealerships and most shops are liars!
IMO: Find a Ford E350 EB passenger with the 5.4, finding a high top will be tough. Surf through youtube and pintrest. You don't have to spend a lot to have a very reliable campervan.
 
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So sorry for your loss. That's a sad story. Hopefully your family support will help you through this.



Not to put down van life but you might consider Hallmark popup campers. I don't know much about them though but if you already have a new truck, it's an option. Better than a mini van IMO.
Hallmark RV | The Best Pop-Up Truck Camper



I still like vans and that the front seats are accessible from the living area. There are plenty for sale here and at the SMB website. Depends on your budget and what creature comforts you need. Good luck on your quest. Lots of members to help you out.
 
While I love my SMB, I’d also suggest checking out a Roadtrek 170 model. Near-perfect for one person IMO. Models built on the GM platform tend to be better (and pricier) than the Dodge vans.
 
Welcome to the forum. Truly sorry for your loss. We parents are supposed to go first, not our children. I hope you find peace.
 
Hello Deltakilo7 ---
---- and as others have said, warm welcomes and heartfelt sorrow for your loss.

Wondered a few things, perhaps with a bit more information we can better help you locate your ideal traveling machine. You can absolutely do better than a minivan for your upcoming journeying and future work-remotely IT work.

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1) Do you have a specific budget range you are inclined to share?
(Either with or without the inclusion of possibly selling the pickup truck?)

2) Have you searched craigslist/other classified listings using the keywords "conversion van" ?
Oftentimes there is kind of a "fuzzy line" that gets drawn between defining whether something is a camper van and if its a conversion van --- and the ones that tilt more towards a camper build could be a good possible option for you. As an example, this one is listed here locally on the SoCal Craigslist as a "camper conversion van".

1992 Ford Conversion RV camper van - $7800 (Anaheim)
https://orangecounty.craigslist.org/rvs/d/1992-ford-conversion-rv/6663279736.html
One owner Ford conversion camper van 5.8 v8 Automatic Toilet �� Generator Roof AC Refrigerator Stone Rear bed �� New motor transmission Only 7000 miles On it have the receipts to prove Runs and drives great �� Clean title brand new smog good Carfax no accidents Very clean in and out Must sell due to health issues $7800 call


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3) Have you considered a slide-in "bed camper" for the pickup truck?

One of those might work quite well for you as well. If the truck has only 13,500 miles on it, that's a nice reliable foundation to have under you for your travels.

Hope that what some of what we offer here is of help to you.
We're a kind bunch here, go ahead and lean on us as much as you need to.
 
Mountain Bike Roamer,

Thank you for your advice. That’s a new idea for me. I had never considered that an older vehicle could be reliable. I’ve always driven newer vehicles out of fear of breaking down somewhere by myself. I’m really restricting myself that way and maybe unnecessarily.

What about rust? If everything else is good but the fenders are rusting is that okay? An easy fix?
 
Oh and I forgot to say this... yes, we had a slide in camper when I was married and it was a little too big and heavy to be convenient. My budget is what I have into the truck since it is paid off. They’ll give me $27K trade in allowance on a 2015 low miles Minivan but the van seems overpriced at $23K. I have the truck for sale on NW Indiana Craigslist for $27K but maybe I should lower the price? No nibbles in 4 days. Plus the mileage is over 14K now. I’ll try the different search terms you mentioned. Thanks again.
 
Hi again Deltakilo7,

Hey, several more things/responses to your responses:

1) I would say that your intuitive sense of **most** significantly older vehicles is still pretty accurate --- in general, they **won't** likely be the most reliable/trouble-free item in the world if they're over 10 years old --- unless you find one that has had meticulous maintenance (fully documented), doesn't have super high miles, and has been driven regularly.

I posted that example of the 1992 Conversion Van as more an illustration of the type of build/layout you might find (but ideally with one that's at least a decade newer, though.)

Newer similar ones are out there! If that particular van's configuration looked interesting or to have potential for you, you could definitely find newer ones with similar builds. Whatever you decide is your ideal choice, just be sure it has tires that are no older than 6 years old (there are DOT-mandated manufacturing-date codes on the sides of all tires that are pretty easily decoded).

These Ford vans are pretty simple and pretty darn reliable contraptions, and most routine maintenance and repairs are pretty reasonable. And as long as you've got your celphone and a "AAA Plus" roadside service membership (100 miles free towing!), you've got your bases covered.

2) You're in Indiana I see --- so that's quite certifiably rust belt, I believe.
If you see rust on the fenders, don't buy it. Once there's rust on the fenders, then the underside of the vehicle is almost 100% certainly in pretty bad shape. Frame rust and brake line rust --- in short, the final stages of terminal deterioration.

3) if you sell the pickup truck, will this be your only vehicle? If so, your intuitive sense of reliability concerns (i.e., get something newer) should indeed take top priority, just based on the extra number of miles and frequent usage "above and beyond" a daily-driver sees/racks up, compared to what most campers/RV's see.
 
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hi Deltakilo7,
I'm very sorry for your terrible loss.

I have a few general thoughts (just my 2 cents) as another woman who wanted to find a reliable van quickly, was particular about a few features, and would be traveling long distances thru remote areas.

Getting Out of Town Quickly: It can take a while to find a vehicle that makes the right trade-offs for you and suits you for the foreseeable future, though I understand your desire to just get something and go! If you don't come across a reasonable vehicle in your timeframe, nothing says you can't rent something for a month -- I found Avis 'lease' deals thru Costco/AAA when I had to keep extending a rental by weeks/months. You could continue looking at listings on your laptop from the backseat of a minivan that you happily *don't* own, surrounded by nature en route someplace. Or spring for a rental camper which might also help you figure out what you do/don't want, and how big a rig you're willing to drive and park. Longer term rentals, unlike owned cars, can be switched out at will (eg, for a clean car) and are serviced by the company. Even brand new options aren't trouble free, I learned from new owners of a Sprinter diesel Roadtrek who've been grounded and seriously disillusioned in their first year or so by multiple serious issues. Just to say rushing into something can leave you with more headaches than you want in the first few months.

Expanding Search Area For Hard-to-Find Particulars/Deal: If you aren't already looking beyond your local region, you might do that, and increase the odds of finding a suitable vehicle, that's also rust-free. I flew from FL to CA for my van, tho there are extra risks/costs to that. (I was also lucky that my van was refurbished by a member of this forum who, with this community ... sometimes in the flesh with toolbag handy! ... provided much valuable support). That van suited my particulars, which evolved greatly during my (re)search. I also really wanted windows all around, which can greatly compromise storage/amenities so perhaps that's why there don't seem to be as many available on the used market. I still haven't seen a listing in the year+ since that I would have preferred to mine, so the flexibility to look out of state was important to me. It also gives you an excuse to drive though the wild lands of that state on your way to CO.

Increasing Your Buying Sense While Avoiding Dealerships: Car dealerships can damage the psyche even when one is not already in a vulnerable state! But if you can talk on the phone to some sellers, or visit some local options .... even ones you *know* don't quite fit the bill ... you'll develop your sense of what's important to you, what a reasonable deal is, and whether/when to make a big effort to pursue a certain listing. I wouldn't hesitate to post any listings you're considering here for input, whether or not they're SMBs. It will arm you well for assessment/negotiation, and your consultation on various owner's forums should help you identify those lemons, like my friends' high-end Sprinter Roadtrek, that might look great but are basically being unloaded due to dissatisfaction.

Reliability & Safety:
Reliability/Safety was also key for me, traveling alone between West and East coasts twice so far, through remote places. After being nearly stranded in rural Texas (by brake issues on my '94 Honda Accord, that two other mechanics failed to diagnose correctly), anywhere-maintainability *alone* made me give up any thought of the diesel Sprinter I'd originally coveted, since mechanics everywhere can competently work on Ford gassers. And well, Ford gassers are damn reliable with fairly simple maintenance. Anecdotally, I gather competent diesel mechanics are much much fewer and farther between. I'd never imagined I'd buy a gas guzzler, but the Total Cost of Ownership for even my V10 outweighed diesel options, for me.

Also, although my 4x4 is a bit of an attention getter, I thought I'd "blend in" better in rural/remote areas by having a white Ford van rather than a snazzy modern-looking obviously-an-RV vehicle that might suggest more target-able wealthy out-of-towners.

Another thing about a used Ford van conversion in your price range: Even if various systems/features/furnishings have issues or need work, if you can live with them for the time being, you'll at least have the base vehicle/engine reliability that you want for personal safety get-aways and avoiding being stranded. I'm pretty sure my 2000 E-350 didn't need engine work during previous owner's refurbishing, and it had sat unused a couple years. Ran perfectly when I picked it up at 75k miles. Started instantly and smoothly after I stored it outside for six months winter-spring in New England earlier this year, despite not putting stabilizer in the gas tank or anything. I've definitely had to put work into various things, but I've never worried it would leave me stranded or too unsafe to drive.

My personal safety protocol (mainly at quick overnight sites that you may be able to avoid with better planning) includes, where possible:
- Hide the fact I'm female if there's only a single other party at the site. (I often arrive late at free campsites near highways. Sometimes I'm at a birdwatching trailhead on public lands, and the occasional truck will roll through). My 'macho' 4x4 doesn't scream "single lady inside" and I don't put PINK Realtree sunscreens in the windows.
- I sleep with doors locked, all lower windows covered for privacy, and keys where I can find them in the dark. I've only once had to yank down the penthouse, start the van, remove the windshield screen and drive away when I perceived a risk, but that operation was very quick (I was sleeping down below where I wouldn't be seen). I realized then that I didn't have a good way to peek out/shine a light (to confirm the risk) without fear of being seen. I'm working on that ... maybe a gruesome mask and super bright tactical flashlight? I should point out, though, that airflow during really hot weather, with windows closed on all doors with locks, usually requires the penthouse to be deployed; unzipping those windows and having lower non-door windows with screens open also, was plenty adequate for me during super hot humid weather this past July. (I can't run AC without running the engine.) I should probably just get a 12v fan, too.

Otherwise, when I'm in a beautiful spot and not particularly worried about creepers, I may leave certain windows uncovered for the view or door windows open for air.

Laptop Compatibility w/Inverter: I was chagrined to find out that my house electrical system wouldn't power my Macbook Pro. The year 2000 inverter documentation even stated explicitly something about not working for laptops, though I haven't yet researched why this is the case, or whether I can work around it ... it's not a pure power availability thing. Sooo, if you're counting on that, i'd bring your laptop and try it out on any rig you're seriously considering.

Missing the Trees for the Forest / Feeling like a Weakling Sometimes: When you find a deal that has most of the features you want at a decent price ... Even with a very thorough walk-thru by a conscientious seller, it's easy to overlook lots of secondary things that become apparent once you spend time in it, or you may find it's harder than you thought to work with certain systems. I'd suggest, on a walk-through, that you personally try/turn on-off every system yourself, open/close every window and shade (looking for worn lines on the verge of breaking, etc), and let systems run long enough to verify they're really working (eg, it not only blows, but also gets hot/cool). Some items (suburban propane heater) may have somewhat quirky start-up procedures to work correctly. Some (like my manual penthouse roof) required more oomph than I had (until the seller arranged for another forum member to put in the 'spring-block' fix that made it work for me). Even just opening/closing the hood or checking the oil dipstick can be illuminating (when you're balanced on the bumper of a lifted vehicle); though it never occurred to me to personally exercise either of those. I spent literally 10-15 minutes in a gas station this june, trying over and over to get my hood fully latched at the start of a trip, which made me too paranoid to check my oil or replace windshield washer fluid during a trip from MA to FL. Turns out the secondary hood latch needed lubrication, but it was humbling and somewhat unnerving at the time (I felt stranded until it finally latched). Plus it was super cumbersome to repeatedly lift the heavy hood, purely because of the way my aftermarket grill guard nearly blocks the latch area and prevents me from getting a full hand (with elbow down) under it at a convenient spot. So, while there have only been 2-3 instances where i briefly wondered if my physical capabilities were up to the task (Oil dipstick requires a hand over hand retrieval, or a really large wingspan. Cleaning my windshield of bugs, twice a day in S. Dakota, requires balancing on my tires/bumper and I can't quite reach the center), it would be good to physically exercise those tasks before signing up for them.

Consider what else might strand you on a long remote road-trip: Others can chime in with more examples, but e.g., while an electric penthouse might be the bomb (I'm still at the boundary of lifting mine due to my height, shorter would be easier actually), it's not unheard of for electric PHs to malfunction and get stuck UP ... which kind of strands you.

Good luck with your search! I have a feeling luck will come your way.

Anne
 
Oh my gosh Anne. Thank you so much for all this information. You have inspired me! Today I found my house sitter/cat/chicken caretaker and am even closer to hitting the road. I will take all your wisdom into account during my search. For now I’m testing my tents and cot and will leave that way if necessary.
Love,
Deb
 
Hi there. If I find a perfect camper van I’ll probably buy a second car for hopping around town when home. Still looking and no nibbles on the truck so a little slide in camper is looking better. I guess the old Lance wasn’t that big and bulky, especially if I have a second car for when I’m not traveling. I was never able to take the camper on and off the truck because dear hubby wouldn’t let me try but it didn’t look that hard to me. It feels great to have the support of this forum. Thank you.

Deb
 
Check out a Travato

As a former SMBer, we parted with ours after 130,000 miles and bought a Winnebago Travato.

The Facebook forum, Travato Owners and Wannebees has lots of information. We have many retired or not, women traveling alone.

The Travato is a class B, 21 feet long. Don't be scared of the pricing. Normally you can get a new one for at least 20% off the price. There is a document in the files section about pricing.

I am sorry for your loss. Heading out is a great way to deal with grief.

Keith
 
Just read your post and I can relate as I have had similar feelings. I have what I consider to be the perfect SMB VAN for a single woman. However, I’m unable to keep it any longer. It is 2015 Promaster van with 14,000 miles. If you think you would like more information, I would be happy to send you pictures and details privately.

Barb
 
Oh my gosh Anne. Thank you so much for all this information. You have inspired me! Today I found my house sitter/cat/chicken caretaker and am even closer to hitting the road. I will take all your wisdom into account during my search. For now I’m testing my tents and cot and will leave that way if necessary.
Love,
Deb

Yay for progress, Deb! and tenting's a fine backup plan.

Re a slide-in for your truck ... You're very familiar with them, I'm not,
You sound completely capable of getting one on/off (I'm unfamiliar, so it sounds cumbersome ;-), but some neighbor would probably be thrilled to help.

I will echo what I've heard others say, I truly value being able to access my house, and essentially everything in it, from the driver's seat and cab. It's all kinds of convenient.

I've also been erring on the side of safety with my van choices. I personally wouldn't give up my ability to, say, wake up to a potentially unpleasant situation and drive away immediately without exposing myself to additional risk (tho one hopes the need never arises, and one can take steps to reduce the risk).

Good luck!
 

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