Sumospring bump stops

The_Vermonster

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I replaced the rubber Ford bump stops with SumoSprings, but this doesn't look right. After dropping the van down, the Sumospring is about 50% compressed. The old rubber bumpstop was attached to a metal bracket, which is welded to the frame. I'm guessing the Sumospring wants to be installed right on the frame, but I'm hesitant to cut anything without checking first. Has anyone else dealt with this?
 

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That only looks about 25% compressed to me? If that’s the case, it’s correct. Sumos can engaged full time. My fronts are. My rears are not.

They do say that if your static ride-height compresses them more than 50%, they won’t fully rebound after a while.
 
Mine is a 2006 SMB build and yours a 2010 Quigley, so i'm sure some differences.
My rear Sumos make contact on both ends (about 15% compressed)
My Fronts have a 1.5" gap before they'll make contact: here are 2 picks of the front showing both bottom & top (didn't take any pic's of the rear since my set-up with a Dana 80 axle will be somewhat different from yours):

Pic with the gap showing was taken from the front towards the back (Somo is attached to frame):

Pic of the top part of the mount was taken from the rear towards the front of the van:
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Hope this provides some perspective.
 
My 2011 Quigley has the black Sumos like Felix (TwoX) above, so coil springs vs leaf. My black Sumos sit about even with the lower plates at static.

Personally Vermonster I don't like to see them engaged like yours but I bet CarringB's advice is solid. How much unload does it take for them to lift off the bottom?

I have fronts only, no rears. Airbags in rear currently acting as bump stops.
 
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Hello....Installed some Sumos this morning in the rear. Questions? The Pic is with the spacers. They almost look as equal in distance as the upward of my current shock setup. Is that the configuration I'm looking for? Also my rear shocks seem to have about 2" of upward I think 4 would be ideal? I'm swapping rear axle in the next week or so to a FF. Should I be thinking about finding shorter shocks to provide some more up travel to install while the axle is out. Thanks
 

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They almost look as equal in distance as the upward of my current shock setup. Is that the configuration I'm looking for? Also my rear shocks seem to have about 2" of upward I think 4 would be ideal?

Sumo's begin there 'purpose' as they compress...more resistance is accomplished with more load. From the looks of it you will never see the benefit of the Sumo's since your shocks will bottom out first.
I'd measure from the top of the axle to at least 2/3rds the way up your Sumo's & that's the distance I'd want for shock travel.
So looks like your Sumo's should drop down to where they compress a little on the axle - this would accommodate your current shock travel. EDIT: I would also still see if you can source a shock that would allow a little more travel
 
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Sumo's begin there 'purpose' as they compress...more resistance is accomplished with more load. From the looks of it you will never see the benefit of the Sumo's since your shocks will bottom out first.
I'd measure from the top of the axle to at least 2/3rds the way up your Sumo's & that's the distance I'd want for shock travel.
So looks like your Sumo's should drop down to where they compress a little on the axle - this would accommodate your current shock travel. EDIT: I would also still see if you can source a shock that would allow a little more travel

Awesome this helps! So I would need to add 2 more spacers for the Sumos I think for this setup. After some measurements I have about 3" of up.. I think I should increase this? If I do then I should need only one more spacer I think?

Current shocks Fox 29.02 ext with 11.1 travel
Thinking 26.85 ext with 10.10 travel this would give me around 5up/5down?

Or one with reservoir 27.95 ext 11.1 travel...this I think 4 1/2 up 6/12 dwn? Also $288 more
 
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If your swapping axles anyways, maybe you can put lower shock mounts on the axle to recover some of your shock travel. 2" of up travel is terrible!
 
If your swapping axles anyways, maybe you can put lower shock mounts on the axle to recover some of your shock travel. 2" of up travel is terrible!

Agreed 2" is terrible! After moving the rig to flatter terrain and measuring well I got 3" of up. Not great. I'm guessing I lost an inch or more that I had originally. When I added 2 leafs to the pack. Think I'm gonna get new shocks that will give me 4-5" of up. Trying to figure it out between 2 options. Also the new FF axle shock mounts could be a little different (lower) Idk?
 
If your swapping axles anyways, maybe you can put lower shock mounts on the axle to recover some of your shock travel. 2" of up travel is terrible!

Yep, I wouldn't do much 'testing' with your current set up, and would also wait to install the new axle before contemplating any adjustments.

Once it's in, jack up one side to see how far the diff drops - you'll want at least a little more travel than that so you don't end out using the shocks to suspend the diff prematurely, or you could consider attaching limiting straps (rear and/or front).

Once the diff is in then you can adjust for the sumo's and also measure what you'll need for shock travel. The sumo's are your new bump stops so you need to measure shock travel as if the sumo's would be compressed at least 3/4 of the way minimum since the blue Sumo's are more forgiving). Weight of the van & the performance characteristics of your leaf spring pack can/could play into the equation, as would a rear sway bar if you have one (unless you have quick disconnects that you'd be utilizing).

Normally you can get a ruff idea of how much travel your shocks are currently handling by inspecting the shaft - the shinny area is an indication of how they're being exercised. The dirty part of the shaft pretty much reveals how much travel you still have available. ***If you haven't done any technical wheeling for a while then what you see now may grossly underrepresent your actual needs.
 
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That only looks about 25% compressed to me? If that’s the case, it’s correct. Sumos can engaged full time. My fronts are. My rears are not.

They do say that if your static ride-height compresses them more than 50%, they won’t fully rebound after a while.


Personally Vermonster I don't like to see them engaged like yours but I bet CarringB's advice is solid. How much unload does it take for them to lift off the bottom?

I should clarify what I mean. The Sumosprings measured about 5in before installing. At rest, they measure 4.25in. If I lift the van by the axle, They measure just a hair under 4in. When I lift the frame, The maximum distance between the mounting plate of the Sumosprings and the pad on the axle is just under 7in. That means the Sumospring is about 80% compressed at rest. They say the blue shouldn't be regularly compressed more than 70%, which only gives 0.5in of travel before "damage" is done.



I would assume that while driving they will compress a little more than when I measure in the driveway, but still, I see approximately 1in of travel lost just from the weight of the van and only 0.25in of potential up travel before maxing out the Sumospring. My swaybar is probably also affecting the theoretical maximum axle travel, but given I drive with it every day, I'm not inclined to disconnect it just for measurements.





Mine is a 2006 SMB build and yours a 2010 Quigley, so i'm sure some differences.
My rear Sumos make contact on both ends (about 15% compressed)
My Fronts have a 1.5" gap before they'll make contact: here are 2 picks of the front showing both bottom & top (didn't take any pic's of the rear since my set-up with a Dana 80 axle will be somewhat different from yours):
Hope this provides some perspective.

So this is a lot more of what I expected when I ordered. It's impossible to tell size via the photos online, but my Sumosprings are significantly larger than I expected compared to the old bumpstops. I'm pretty sure that if I remove the spacer welded to the frame I would have a setup that looks similar to yours.

I've had to drive the van the past few days and it's immediately noticeable that the ride quality has declined. As expected, you would say it feels like it's riding on the bumpstops :b1:. Every little bump is felt.

I do have an email out to Super Springs (holiday weekend doesn't help) to confirm that these are the correct Sumosprings for my van, and see if they have a recommendation about cutting out the space to gain that 2in of space. I looked at the F-350 products and application and they do show different parts. They also have a video and it shows a very slight contact while driving, certainly less than what I'm seeing.


I appreciate all your help!
 
I should clarify what I mean. The Sumosprings measured about 5in before installing. At rest, they measure 4.25in. If I lift the van by the axle, They measure just a hair under 4in. When I lift the frame, The maximum distance between the mounting plate of the Sumosprings and the pad on the axle is just under 7in. That means the Sumospring is about 80% compressed at rest. They say the blue shouldn't be regularly compressed more than 70%, which only gives 0.5in of travel before "damage" is done.



I would assume that while driving they will compress a little more than when I measure in the driveway, but still, I see approximately 1in of travel lost just from the weight of the van and only 0.25in of potential up travel before maxing out the Sumospring. My swaybar is probably also affecting the theoretical maximum axle travel, but given I drive with it every day, I'm not inclined to disconnect it just for measurements.







So this is a lot more of what I expected when I ordered. It's impossible to tell size via the photos online, but my Sumosprings are significantly larger than I expected compared to the old bumpstops. I'm pretty sure that if I remove the spacer welded to the frame I would have a setup that looks similar to yours.

I've had to drive the van the past few days and it's immediately noticeable that the ride quality has declined. As expected, you would say it feels like it's riding on the bumpstops :b1:. Every little bump is felt.

I do have an email out to Super Springs (holiday weekend doesn't help) to confirm that these are the correct Sumosprings for my van, and see if they have a recommendation about cutting out the space to gain that 2in of space. I looked at the F-350 products and application and they do show different parts. They also have a video and it shows a very slight contact while driving, certainly less than what I'm seeing.


I appreciate all your help!

So crazy how different setups are. You have a Quigley? I don't have that plate/mount your Sumo is resting on the axle (MG/Expovan). I'm about to order some for the front and I would have about as much space between my axle and the Sumo as that plate height is on your axle. I will be adding a spacer I think? I would think you need shorter Sumos or cutting that top plate for the 2". I'm no expert, but have been studying up on these a lot after installing the rears over the weekend.
 
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I take that back I do have those plates I was thinking of the rear!! My bad! Still though I think you want a little space between the Sumo and that plate.
 
If your swapping axles anyways, maybe you can put lower shock mounts on the axle to recover some of your shock travel. 2" of up travel is terrible!

My 2004 Sportsmobile 4x4 with the standard 4" lift has always had <2" up travel. That's all I've ever known. Yes, it has been frustrating.


(Photos here of both sides, because the ground isn't level.)
 
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