Wobbly mirror?

TimRiker

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I have a 1998 e250 Sportsmobile. Door mirrors are factory electric mirrors. The passenger side mirror is stable. The driver side mirror wobbles. How can I tighten it up? Can I remove the mirror just by pulling it off the frame or will I break something that way? Both mirrors do move with the controls on the driver's door.

View of Mount Rushmore from Doane Robinson Tunnel showing the mirror in question. :D
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Not sure how to tighten it up Tim but I had to replace a driver's side mirror that had been side swiped off our van in Bishop Ca. Found the entire mirror assembly new on ebay for less than $50 and the r&r was pretty straight forward. Done from the inside after removing door panel.
 
Not sure how to tighten it up Tim but I had to replace a driver's side mirror that had been side swiped off our van in Bishop Ca. Found the entire mirror assembly new on ebay for less than $50 and the r&r was pretty straight forward. Done from the inside after removing door panel.

If I need to, I'll replace it. Since it works, and the mirror is not cracked, I'm wondering if I can get inside it. How does the mirror itself disconnect from the frame? Does it just snap out? I can pry it part way open because it's loose, but I don't want to break it. I didn't see a hole for a screwdriver or similar on the bottom.

I want to add side cameras probably mounted under each mirror, so I guess I'll need to pull the inside panel to get to an area to run wires for the camera eventually.
 
Tim, are you referring to just the mirror glass or the entire assembly that bolts to the van? My passenger side wobbles, but just the glass in the mirror housing, not the whole mirror housing itself, that part is totally stable. I haven't taken the time to dig into it, but if someone else has this issue, maybe it is worth looking at.
 
Same problem here. I just wedged an earplug between the glass and the frame ��
 
It’s been a while, but I know there are some You-tube tutorials on this (mainly because many people apparently end out breaking the movable mirror in the process of trying to get at the back, and/or when putting the mirror back in place).
 
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It's the mirror glass and the panel it's attached to that wobble.

The housing that attaches to the van is stable. Stock mirror with aftermarket dome mirror attached.

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I can pull the wobbly section and it almost pops out. I hesitate to pull harder, but if they are supposed to "unsnap" I guess I could pull it all the way out and look at the backside of the mounting panel.

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At some point I want to mount a camera on the bottom of both side mirrors and route the cable through the door into the Android head unit.
 
TimRiker,

Lately I've been dealing with this same issue on both of our factory rearview mirrors on the Silver Kitten (i.e. our 2002 E-350 SM:cool:. I have developed a what seems like a reasonable fix for mirror wobble that I've been testing for several months now. I'll try to describe it briefly here, along with my process for removing the mirror element, in the hope that this may help. Eventually, I will finish my full write-up on the process with pictures and post it here on the SMB forum, but my family and work obligations must come first, for now.

Mirror Element Removal/Replacement:

1) Looking at your second picture, which looks into your driver's side mirror from the outside edge, look just to the right of the black rubber boot which surrounds and protects the movement mechanism for the mirror. If you look carefully, you will notice that the plastic mount on the back of the the mirror element consists of a segmented ring of "fingers" that latch onto a circular mount on the moveable part of the mirror-positioning mechanism.

2) I moved my mirror all the way in one direction, just as you have done in this second picture, and then reached inside of the mirror housing with a tiny auto-body-trim right-angle pry bar (5-inch??? i.e. almost small enough to fit in the palm of my left hand), and sequentially lifted up each of the plastic fingers on the back of the mirror enough for it to release - all while prying outward on the glass (i.e. towards the rear of the vehicle) by pulling GENTLY on the edge of the mirror with the thumb of my right hand.

Note: Keep a hold of the mirror element with the thumb and fingers of your right hand (don't worry, you can clean it later) so that the mirror element won't fall and break when it suddenly pops free from its mounting. Having a sleeping bag or under-inflated air mattress spread out on the ground underneath the mirror is also a reasonable precaution in case you drop the mirror element when it comes free from the mechanism.

3) Working my way around the mirror element, I kept a constant and GENTLE pull on it with my right thumb while sliding my thumb around the rim of the mirror element, gradually tilting the mirror element to its other limits of movement (i.e. Down, Left, Up). Don't worry, you won't hurt the gear-motor mechanism that moves the mirror by moving the mirror manually.

4) When you get a little over half-way around the mirror, prying the fingers up one- or two-at-a-time as you go (yeah, you'll probably have to back up and re-do a few of them too), the mirror element will eventually just pop off of the mechanism once you've lifted enough of the fingers in a row, and kept them from snapping back into place.

5) To reinstall the mirror element, you can just square up the mechanism with the housing, line up the mirror element with the housing, and gently press evenly on the center portion of the glass, and it will snap back into place.

Note: Removing the mirror element for the second time is much easier than the first!


"The Mirror Wiggle Fix"

As for the wiggle, the pivot mechanism in these mirrors relies on precision-molded plastic parts that inevitably wear with time, and I have found little evidence of an effective lubricant being used. (Maybe it all evaporated during the original owner's time with our SMB?) And once the plastic bearing surfaces wear, the slop and shake are almost unavoidable.

However, I have taken the slop and wiggle out of our passenger-side mirror by using one or two modified throttle return springs (Dorman Part #29005) from the "Help!" section of my local auto parts store. The spring(s) can hold the moveable part of the mirror mount snug against the rest of the mechanism, without being too strong for the motors to move the mirror, and without causing the mirror to drift out of position over time under off-road vibration.

It really helps!

You have to cut and modify the spring(s) a little, and then drill a few tiny mounting holes in the plastic movement mechanism for the ends of the spring(s) to hook into, but it seems worth the trouble to achieve a $5 fix on a power mirror!

I'll try to write this process up with pictures as soon as I can . . . but for now, I've gotta run!

Timerider

P.S. If I find a better tool for doing the mirror element removal that can be cheaply bought or easily made, I'll include that in my write-up as well. Maybe other more-experienced forum members have already developed better tools and processes for doing this . . . I dunno. If so, hopefully they will post or link to them here.
 
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I'll try to remove the mirror and backplate using this info and post on how it works out. More pictures would be nice. I'll take some while I'm working on it.
 
I would replace both mirrors completely. I do this every few years. They are very, very cheap. Time is money. Toss em, start with new.
 
Tried pulling the mirror off today, I didn't get the fingers to budge around the circle. I'll look for a different tool and try again. In my photo you can see that some of the mechanism is visible just past the rubber "seal". I'm worried that it's broken there. I'll know more when I get it off.

I'll probably end up ordering replacements.

We'll see.
 
Replace

Sounds to me like a lot of man hours and noodling around when you can simply take out the 4 screws lift off the door and panel and replace for a bigger and better unit from myriad of choices on Amazon or RockAuto. I only say this because I drove around for a year with mine scotch taped into perfect position before I threw down 40 bucks. Lmao. Good luck
 

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