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Old 09-24-2014, 10:15 AM   #1
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Power windows and door lock wiring.

Well it might have been sheer boredom or plain stupidity but I came across some door panels off a 2011 e150 the other day, thinking they looked quite a bit more fresh than the panels on my 2000... You know the rest of the story.
So the panels mount and match up great, but I'm having a little difficulty figuring out the power window switch wiring.
I've tried what I thought was right and I get no response from the window.
Here are the diagrams I am working from
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I thought it would be as simple as finding what each wire controls and match them up. But something isn't right. Any of you great minds have thoughts or ideas? Or are the two even compatible?

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Old 09-24-2014, 10:17 AM   #2
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Re: Power windows and door lock wiring.

Oops. Looks like my pictures are backwards. Sorry
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Old 02-17-2019, 06:23 PM   #3
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Sky, did you ever figure out a solution?
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I got in to this one time. I don't remember the specifics but same as you I was trying to put newer panels on an older door (older switches, etc.). Sorry to say I think I eventually gave up. I know a lot about DC wiring, as in, you have a power wire and a ground wire and stuff starts working. This is a little more complex, unfortunately.

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Old 02-18-2019, 08:56 AM   #5
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Scotty, I think I agree with you. However, my new plan is to Frankenstein the 2 plastic switch panels together. I took a few quick measurement and I think I can cut out the part of the old switch panel that holds the old style switches, the cut a hole in the new style switch panel and just glue/plastic weld the 2 parts together. This would allow me to leave all the factory wiring intact and continue to use the original switches. Plus if I screw up, the switch panels are cheap to replace.
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Hopefully this helps some people..and this is only based upon reading the wiring diagrams for 2002 and 2011 (don't have a 2000 manual), not real world testing. It appears that you can't simply switch door panels and repin the window switches. The passenger window switch receives input from the drivers master switch.

The drivers master switch may be required to get the windows to work correctly...

2002 appears to have a combined door lock and power window master switch, with neutral-up-down positions. "C508 and C629 control a bi-directional motor by supplying a momentary ground or power to either side of motor depending on position of switch. When switch is at rest, both wires to motor are grounded."
2011 appears to have separate door lock and power window master switches with up-down positions.

Looking at a 2002 wiring manual and a 2011 wiring manual, here's what it is:

2002
C508 - master window/door lock/unlock switch:
pin 1=signal feed = BN
pin 2=door lock feed = PK/OG or PK/LG=keyless entry
pin 3=voltage supplied at all time (fused) = BK/WH or OG/LG=keyless entry
pin 4=door lock output = PK/BK or PK/YE=keyless entry
pin 5=door lock input = RD
pin 6=power window switch, driver, feed = WH/BK (driver motor)
pin 7=ground = BK
pin 8=window switch feed right front up = TN/LB (ref C629 pin2)
pin 9=ground = BK
pin 10=battery voltage, hot in run and accessory = RD/LB (ref C629 pin3)
pin 11=window lockout, hot in run and accessory only = RD/LB (power)
pin 12=ground = BK
pin 13=power window motor, left front down feed = YE (driver motor)
pin 14=ground = BK
pin 15=window switch feed right front down = WH/YE (ref C629 pin4)

C629 - front passenger window/door lock switch:
pin 1=window motor, feed, down = YE/RD (pass motor)
pin 2=window switch, feed, right front up = TN/LB
pin 3=battery voltage, hot in run and accessory only = RD/LB (power)
pin 4=window switch, feed, right front down = WH/YE
pin 5=window motor, feed down = RD/YE (pass motor)


2011
C504 - master window adjust switch
pin 1=switch power window driver # driver down = YE/VT (driver motor)
pin 2=ground pillar A left = BK
pin 3=switch power window driver # front passenger down = GN/OG (power to passenger switch - ref C604 pin1)
pin 4=empty
pin 5=switch power window driver # driver up = BU/GY (driver motor)
pin 6=empty
pin 7=fuse 47 or circuit breaker = GN/BU (power)
pin 8=switch power window driver # front passenger up = BN/YE (power to passenger switch - ref C604 pin6)

C604 - window adjust switch, passenger side
pin 1=switch power window driver # front passenger down = GN/OG
pin 2=switch power window front passenger # down = VT (pass motor)
pin 3=fuse 47 or circuit breaker = GN/BU (power)
pin 4=empty
pin 5=switch power window front passenger # up = WH/OG (pass motor)
pin 6=switch passenger window driver # front passenger up = BN/YE


BK=black
BN=brown
BU=blue
DB=dark blue
DG=dark green
GR=green
GY=gray
LB=light blue
LG=light green
OG=orange
PK=pink
RD=red
SR=silver
TN=tan
VT=violet
WH=white
YE=yellow


2000 (from picture above)
pin 1=power window motor down feed = YE/RD
pin 2=up power window motor up feed = TN/LB
pin 3=power acc or run = RD/LB
pin 4=power window motor down feed = WH/YE
pin 5=power window motor down feed = RD/YE
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Unreng,

For the 2002 model, switch C508, pin 3, I have the OG/LG wire. Can you tell me where on your diagram the fuse is at for that wire?

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Pin 3 on C508 (OG/LG) = 18 gauge wire & circuit 956 = goes through splice 506 & C3051 to reach fuse 2.32 (5A) hot at all times in the central junction box. Per the diagram, F2.32 is one up from the bottom and two in from the left.

OG/LG is pin 6 on C3051. C3051 is a 10-pin connector with 6 + 4 wire configuration in two rows in the left (drivers) front rocker panel.

F2.32 receives power from F1.8 (60A) in the battery junction box.









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Thanks Unreng!! I will dig through your diagrams. I am currently not getting 12v on my OG/LG wire for the driver's side power lock switch, but the LG/YE wire on the passenger side switch is working fine so I will check out that fuse at F2.32 and see what I can find.

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Fuse F2.32 was blown. Swapped it out and switches started working again, thanks! I am back on track for my door panel swap!
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