I enjoy the questions of forum members at the various forums I visit, though always think of this build thread as the van's garage, home-thread. So when questions pop up that highlight some little tip or tweak i'll bring that conversation here for keepsake : )
The below question was asked in the context of creating a comfortable sleeping area and I had commented on what we were using. I'll put that original post in here and go onto the forum members Q's:
Here are those posts, those asking Q's are in quotes.
The "Backpakers" style pads (Q-Core in our case) my wife and I are using are nothing like the common box-store queen inflatables we used way back. Also, for a couple, if you have pads for each you get no movement between the two when moving or getting in/out of bed. I was pleasantly surprised at the amount of abuse these pads can take. We kneel on them, sit on them, and at times I've even stood on them. No issues for us. Very pleased.
Like others, we also sandwiched our pads in material so they will not move. I measured our bed (a ~full size area 54" wide~) then picked two pads that would comfortably fit the area, then purchased two inexpensive blankets that were just a bit wider (they were twin size). Put one below and one above the pads, then covered all in a cotton fitted full sheet...
Under the pad(s) is a Froli Sleep System
that acts as a promoter of airflow and a box spring for added comfort. Here is a picture on the original platform layout:
Then we make the bed with two flat full sheets my wife sewed Velcro along the bottom and about a foot up the bottom of sides. Really easy to clean in our scrubba bag (example link - no affiliation) and hang on a clothes line in camp.
I'm afraid to ask what that Froli thing costs...
Just curious -- if the insulated inflatable mattress solved the problems associated with MF, why did you not just use it by itself, vs. putting the Froli under it?
Greetings and thx for the Q. I'm a long time sailor, grew up spending the weekends on the family sailboat in the San Francisco Bay and even sailed from Hawaii to California. One of the things I remember doing as housecleaning every time in the boat before heading out of the Yacht Club was taking all the berth cushions off the berths, wiping off the condensation with a bit of white vinegar and letting things air out before replacing cushions. Without air between bottom of cushion and platform the build up of mold is significant over time. The Froli Sleep System acts foremost to promote airflow between platform and pad, and second as a spring foundation for comfort. It allows the occupants of a boat or rv to take regular cushions and turn them into a comfortable and hygienic sleep system.
Cost? As one who had seen the ugliness of what mold can bring into the mix in a small living area it was not a factor in our decision. I believe we paid somewhere around ?$380? for enough to create the bed in the van as seen from this original image of platform before installing in van:
What is not seen in the image above is that the head of the bed is open to the froli and the cover is fabric at the foot end so there is airflow under mattress pad.
As mentioned elsewhere, the morning after awaking in our Sealy Pillow Top at home after returning from the maiden voyage of the van+Froli week+ vacation my wife asked me if we could get a Froli for home. The sleep was that good in the van. Yes I got one for the home. And in our full time 43ft fifth wheel we have a queen Froli set up too. You are not adding any weight really, as a queen is somewhere around 7 to 8 pounds as I recall. Oh, and the people that I got the FSS from are the US importers (the bed is from Finland or Norway??) and great customer service.
....there was a follow up question in the forum and my reply :
Thanks for the really good explanation. . . is the FSS basically a collection of plastic bed springs?
Yuppers, that's basically it. As I noted we have one in the van, and one under a queen size in our full time rv. The queen comes down from the ceiling in the rear bedroom/laundry room/toyhauler garage.
We also utilize another product called "Hypervent" under a much larger king size standard mattress in the rv. Since the king is in the master suite and was pillow top and ~12" in height we didn't think we would have issues with mold between platform (it has inside storage under) and king mattress... but we were wrong. About a year into the new rig we did some extensive fall cleaning and lifting up the mattress noticed mold in the areas that were basically mirroring our bodies. Hard to believe that ~12" of foam wouldn't soak up all our body heat! Anywhoo... we scrubbed/cleaned and removed mold and installed the Hypervent product. It has been a year this fall and checking there is no sign of mold. For DIY'ers there have been products found in big box hardware stores that contractors use between sheet rock that looks a lot like the hypervent product.
Another comment on the "Hypervent" product... since it is less than 1" high it could be utilized under the pad in a Roof Top Tent (RTT) and still get everything closed up in the clam-shell.
So that is our mattress/bed solution(s) as of this post. The Froli has been in use now since summer of 2011 in van, and the primary sleep system in our prior 38ft fifth wheel before purchasing our latest Tiny-House on wheels (the 43ft mentioned above).
sweet dreams : )