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Old 09-11-2009, 01:22 PM   #1
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Output Shaft on E350 transmission good for 4x4?

Does anyone know if the output shaft on e350 transmissions are any different then the F350 or other ford equivalent?

I ask because I am going to do a 4x4 conversion and want to make sure that the output shaft on the e350 can handle it, or does it need to be upgraded to a heavy duty one from say a F350 4x4

Anyone know if SMB, Quigly, SK, or Quad Van change out the Output shaft before they do a conversion?

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Re: Output Shaft on E350 transmission good for 4x4?

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My understanding is that Ford uses different output shafts for 4x4 vs. 2 wheel drive models. The 4x4 shaft is shorter to allow more room for the transfer case.

I can't speak for the others, but Quigley doesn't change the output shaft, they attach the transfer case and make custom driveshafts. You have to partially disassemble the tranny to change the output shaft which is why I think Quigley doesn't bother.

The van transmission shaft is plently strong enough, but Ford uses much smaller u-joints on the vans than the pickups.
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Old 09-11-2009, 02:55 PM   #3
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Re: Output Shaft on E350 transmission good for 4x4?

You need a special adapter to fit the transfer case onto the 2wd transmission. You might be able buy one from one of the 4wd upfitters.

Or, you could get a PU trans with transfercase and get the capability of PTO.

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Re: Output Shaft on E350 transmission good for 4x4?

QuadVan changes the tailshaft to the Ford 4x4 version. At least on the 4r100. Not sure about the Torqueshift.

QuadVan now sells DIY 4x4 conversion kits.
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Re: Output Shaft on E350 transmission good for 4x4?

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QuadVan now sells DIY 4x4 conversion kits.
Couldn't find any info on the website..... Do you know where it is???


As far as the output shaft, it needs to be swapped to a 4x4 unit in order to work without a special adapter. Quigley & SMB have their own adaptors, not sure about the other companies. When using the stock fuel tank, it's best to swap the shaft so you don't loose too much fuel capacity. (keeps the tranny & t-case as short as possible)
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Re: Output Shaft on E350 transmission good for 4x4?

Salem-Kroger uses and adaptor for the t-case also. Considering it takes special tooling to take the 5R110 apart and reassemble it, that is probably a good idea.

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Re: Output Shaft on E350 transmission good for 4x4?

If you want to use stock parts then you do need to pull the trany and tear it completly down for the shorter tail shaft, you will need a new tail housing as well, these parts can be found on e bay, I just got a steel tail housing for 60.00 on ebay(4r100). I purchased a wrecked Quigley and in the process for changing out the parts over to my 2x4 van. Quigley make a special adapter so you dont have to tear down the trany,do you know what tranny you have,I cant use the one I have since its for a 4r70(? I think) and my van has the larger 4r100. Their a lot to consider in the conversion, speedo ,shorten gas tank, two new drive shafts,cutting cross member, brake lines, abs,and supension. I lucked out with my local wrecking yard, they had a wrecked 2002 e250, they sold me all the parts for 1000.00 and gave me the front frame section of the van. Hope this helps Dave
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Re: Output Shaft on E350 transmission good for 4x4?

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QuadVan now sells DIY 4x4 conversion kits.
Couldn't find any info on the website..... Do you know where it is???


It's not on the website.
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Re: Output Shaft on E350 transmission good for 4x4?

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If you want to use stock parts then you do need to pull the trany and tear it completly down for the shorter tail shaft, you will need a new tail housing as well, these parts can be found on e bay, I just got a steel tail housing for 60.00 on ebay(4r100). I purchased a wrecked Quigley and in the process for changing out the parts over to my 2x4 van. Quigley make a special adapter so you dont have to tear down the trany,do you know what tranny you have,I cant use the one I have since its for a 4r70(? I think) and my van has the larger 4r100. Their a lot to consider in the conversion, speedo ,shorten gas tank, two new drive shafts,cutting cross member, brake lines, abs,and supension. I lucked out with my local wrecking yard, they had a wrecked 2002 e250, they sold me all the parts for 1000.00 and gave me the front frame section of the van. Hope this helps Dave
The plan is to do this in stages (cash availability), I will be going with UJOINT's kit, springs, and brake lines. wheel adapters.

There are a few wreckers here with the 99-05 D60 for pretty cheep.

Stage 1 - installing the D60, springs, brakes lines, wheel adapter, wheels tires

Stage 2 - Trans mods or adapater, tcase, custom drive shafts, gears, lockers

I just hope the factory drive line as enough length to work after the 6" lift, if not I will have it extended since I will be driving around without a tcase for a while

If I can get an adapter I will probably go that route and do an atlas II while i'm add it. Not extremely concerned with the tank size as I will be adding another anyway.

I will inquire with the different shops to see about the availablity of adapters


I am still trying to find the perfect donor van, I want a 99-03 EB 7.3PSD passenger van, but I can;t even find a cargo van which I may have to settle on. There are some in town but have no windows in the back or side doors, if the lot will do a door swap with another van then I may have one by end of this week.

Anyone know what transmissions come in the 99-03 7.3 vans?

Thanks for all the input and help

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Old 09-13-2009, 08:08 PM   #10
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Re: Output Shaft on E350 transmission good for 4x4?

The 99-03 (7.3) will have the 4R110 tranny. One thing to consider with the Atlas, the adaptor used by SMB is exclusive to them, and I don't think they'll sell them separate.

BTW--- your plan sounds good!!!!
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