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Old 05-08-2014, 06:52 PM   #1
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Say Goodbye to Chip Tuning Open CAN Bus Going Away

This was posted on the ford-trucks.forum

"Say Goodbye to Chip Tuning Open CAN Bus Going Away in Two Model Cycles"

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2014/0 ... el-cycles/

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What say you mgmetalworks, et al.?
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Old 05-08-2014, 07:52 PM   #2
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Re: Say Goodbye to Chip Tuning Open CAN Bus Going Away

It won't be impossible to tune your car, just a lot harder to do. Any device that has been engineered can be reverse engineered. Look at things like the iPhone... Apple has an army of engineers working to keep that thing secure and usually some teenager hacks the newest model within days of release.

Nothing to worry about...just expect to pay more for HP upgrades.
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Old 05-09-2014, 06:44 AM   #3
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It won't be impossible to tune your car, just a lot harder to do. Any device that has been engineered can be reverse engineered. Look at things like the iPhone... Apple has an army of engineers working to keep that thing secure and usually some teenager hacks the newest model within days of release.

Nothing to worry about...just expect to pay more for HP upgrades.
Personally, I'd be just fine with the sock HP of a new one, vs. the 20 year old stuff I usually drive.
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Old 05-09-2014, 07:12 AM   #4
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Re: Say Goodbye to Chip Tuning Open CAN Bus Going Away

While I like our option to buy all the power we can afford, I feel it is best when it comes from the factory. It seems silly to hold modern engines to an environmental standard as they leave the factory and then let anyone (including those who don't know what they are doing or are irresponsible) to re-calibrate their engine's operation.

On the road I particularly hate to see modified diesel trucks with clouds of black smoke behind them. Just doesn't seem right or just to other drivers.
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I feel the 'clouds of black smoke' people are in the minority of diesel owners who have tuned their vehicles. There are plenty of tuned trucks that get better mileage than stock, so isn't that a good thing? Of course there's no free lunch, so there are tradeoffs that come with additional power, like increased maintenance and/our decreased reliability. But the black smoke owners can cause a lot of issues for all diesel owners by changing opinions of diesels and forcing environmental testing (purely a subjective visual inspection in CA).


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Old 05-09-2014, 12:01 PM   #6
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Re: Say Goodbye to Chip Tuning Open CAN Bus Going Away

Echoing what BroncoHauler said. There are a lot of different forums out there for diesel engines, but if you want to be dumped on, just post on the ford-trucks.com 7.3L diesel forum with a thread saying something like "Hey guys I want a tune so I can roll coal!"

Also, in California we have an opacity test for diesel smog checks and, from what I have seen, the CHP have test trucks cruising looking for diesel light trucks spewing black smoke. So, as a result we don't see a lot of coal rolling around here.

I personally am more concerned with the "public private partnership" of the governments' working with the auto manufacturers to monitor you and your vehicle. It will basically be NSA for cars.
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Old 05-09-2014, 12:35 PM   #7
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I personally am more concerned with the "public private partnership" of the governments' working with the auto manufacturers to monitor you and your vehicle. It will basically be NSA for cars.
Exactly... but don't forget the insurance companies in that mix. They have more interest in vehicle data and driving habits than the Govt. would. Anything to deny a claim/preserve profits right?
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Re: Say Goodbye to Chip Tuning Open CAN Bus Going Away

Slightly off-topic perhaps but the black exhaust from a diesel engine tends to be unburned fuel, something any fleet operator works to avoid.

A good tuning program shouldn't introduce an excessive fuel charge and have it not burned. That's literally burning money without any benefit, potentially damaging to the engine.

As for the gov't or insurance companies monitoring vehicle use----it might become the single criteria for setting individual coverage rates. It makes much more sense than credit history, type of residence etc, etc etc currently used to establish rates.
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A good tuning program shouldn't introduce an excessive fuel charge and have it not burned. That's literally burning money without any benefit, potentially damaging to the engine.

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What's a good tune? I'm curious because if they accomplish much without too many compromises it would seem Ford engineers would include them in order to sell more vehicles.

I suppose cost could be a factor but even then they should cost less as mass produced options.
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Re: Say Goodbye to Chip Tuning Open CAN Bus Going Away

Fuel has changed. Injector alternatives are now available, including the International Harvester AC Code 160 cc injector which only shipped with the 7.3L T444E. The newest (2003) Ford 7.3L is eleven years old. More expensive components are available to modify it now, which Ford no doubt chose not to include with the motor originally. Knowledge/Progress through enthusiast innovation never sleeps...
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