|
|
03-11-2014, 09:34 AM
|
#21
|
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Washington - Ridgefield
Posts: 4,728
|
Re: Come to Wyoming
Quote:
Originally Posted by rionapo
Its bottom line: not true but it's not because trophic cascades aren't real. Instead, the elk (not deer, as the video says) had damaged Yellowstone beyond restoration before wolves were reintroduced.
|
No way to damage Yellowstone beyond restoration. Scientists were shocked by how quickly Mt. St. Helens recovered from far worse devastation. Nature is very powerful.
Mike
__________________
Alaska to Key West, Labrador and more
Prostate cancer survivor. See Thread Prostate cancer and Sportsmobiles
2015 VW GTI 2020 Fiat 124 Spider
2012 E250 Hitop camper
|
|
|
03-11-2014, 11:52 AM
|
#22
|
Site Team
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Turlock Ca
Posts: 10,410
|
Re: Come to Wyoming
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ford_6L_E350
No way to damage Yellowstone beyond restoration. Scientists were shocked by how quickly Mt. St. Helens recovered from far worse devastation. Nature is very powerful.
Mike
|
I totally agree on that.
__________________
2006 Ford 6.0PSD EB-50/E-PH SMB 4X4 Rock Crawler Trailer
Sportsmobile 4X4 Adventures.......... On and off road adventures
|
|
|
03-11-2014, 07:01 PM
|
#23
|
Site Team
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Santa Fe, NM
Posts: 1,202
|
Come to Wyoming
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ford_6L_E350
Quote:
Originally Posted by rionapo
Its bottom line: not true but it's not because trophic cascades aren't real. Instead, the elk (not deer, as the video says) had damaged Yellowstone beyond restoration before wolves were reintroduced.
|
No way to damage Yellowstone beyond restoration. Scientists were shocked by how quickly Mt. St. Helens recovered from far worse devastation. Nature is very powerful.
Mike
|
Beyond restoration means wolves could not undo damage to aspens, etc. done by elk. For example, the video talks about aspen regrowth; the article refers to studies that show it hasn't happened. Does that means wolves have no value? Of course not. It means that after an ecosystem has been significantly disrupted it probably won't return to its original state. Here in NM, for example, major overgrazing in the 1870s followed by a significant drought in the 1880s created irreversible changes (erosion, grassland losses, among others) in the environment. Our present drought and increased human population will probably do similar things again. Restoring a piece of an earlier ecosystem won't recreate that ecosystem though it may be important for stability in the new one. In the case of Mt. St. Helens, it may be true that things are growing again but I doubt that the lava, etc. is gone. The ecosystem is adapting to its presence, not reverting to what it was before.
Don
__________________
-Don-
Life and baseball both sometimes are not fair, but it is how you play the hops that counts. —Scott Miller, NYT Sports
|
|
|
03-11-2014, 08:35 PM
|
#24
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: TN
Posts: 10,275
|
Re: Come to Wyoming
Right by Grand Canyon of the Yellowstone/Canyon Lodge
|
|
|
03-11-2014, 08:38 PM
|
#25
|
Site Team
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Santa Fe, NM
Posts: 1,202
|
Re: Come to Wyoming
Quote:
Originally Posted by 86Scotty
Right by Grand Canyon of the Yellowstone/Canyon Lodge
|
Nice. We hoped to encounter wolves in Minnesota last fall but weren't so lucky.
Don
__________________
-Don-
Life and baseball both sometimes are not fair, but it is how you play the hops that counts. —Scott Miller, NYT Sports
|
|
|
03-11-2014, 10:25 PM
|
#26
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: TN
Posts: 10,275
|
Re: Come to Wyoming
That was with a cell phone. No time to get the camera out but it was cool to see. May be a once in a lifetime thing for this Tennesseean.
|
|
|
04-07-2014, 06:38 AM
|
#27
|
Site Team
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Las Vegas, Nevada
Posts: 1,537
|
Re: Come to Wyoming
__________________
Mac McIntire
2003 Ford E250, 5.4L V8,
|
|
|
04-07-2014, 08:58 PM
|
#28
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Lakewood CO
Posts: 191
|
Re: Come to Wyoming
If my van ever gets done... I will be there a minimum of two times this coming spring / summer. Love darn near every inch of that wild country. Wind Rivers, Tetons, Bridger, Yellowstone, Jackson, Pinedale are all on my list if I can get them in this year.
|
|
|
04-24-2014, 05:13 PM
|
#29
|
Site Team
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Las Vegas, Nevada
Posts: 1,537
|
Re: Come to Wyoming
31 photos of Wyoming that will make you want to Sportsmobile there.
http://www.movoto.com/blog/opinions/photos-of-wyoming/
__________________
Mac McIntire
2003 Ford E250, 5.4L V8,
|
|
|
05-11-2014, 10:42 PM
|
#30
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Port Angeles Wa And Jackson Hole Wy.
Posts: 1,284
|
Re: Come to Wyoming
Mac your given away our little secret.
Just kidding you all must stop by the shop and say hello if your in Jackson.
I have Shower there and you can wash your van if you like.
Ron
__________________
Going where most dont
"one day at a time"
|
|
|
|
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
|
» Recent Threads |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|