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02-10-2019, 09:40 PM
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Join Date: May 2007
Location: Turlock Ca
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Here in CA I've always carried a cheap set of cable chains in my pickup for the check points with no intent on ever installing them. I've never needed to chain up with 4x4. But on my SMB I want a good set of chains if I ever actually need to chain-up in the backcountry. I have a set of Pewag's that are in my bumper box. RUD's are another good choice.
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02-11-2019, 09:52 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2013
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I'm headed to Colorado today and have aset of cheap cable chains that I have no intention of EVER installing. I hate chains and will go out of my way to avoid them. Having said that, I do have 4wd and Duratracks, which work really well in snow. If chains are mandatory, I'll pull over and wait for the restriction to be lifted rather than laying in the salty slush as traffic whizzes by my feet while I install them. I realize that's not an option for everyone but I have nothing but time. Best of luck.
Edit: I just talked to the spring guy I'm visiting and he said it snowed six inches last night. He also said they have a "traction" law that says if you don't have chains and spin out, it's a $600 fine. It's unclearto me if they have to be installed to avoid a ticket.
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2001 GTRV
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Agile Ride improvement package
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02-11-2019, 10:10 AM
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Join Date: Sep 2018
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Coming from Michigan, where studded tires are illegal and chain use is highly restricted, it was a bit of a surprise when I moved to Seattle and there were chain requirements. Some pretty major freeways on the west coast can require them, including I-90 over Snoqualmie pass in Washington, and I-80 over Donner Pass in California.
IIRC in California four-wheel-drive vehicles are required to *carry* chains, but not required to install them, except under level 3 restrictions...but usually the highway closes before they hit level 3.
If you have Les Schwab where you live, they'll sell you chains in the fall and take them back for a refund in the spring if you haven't used them.
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1990 E-250 Sportsmobile w/ penthouse top, converted when new by SMB Texas.
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02-17-2019, 11:06 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Sacramento Delta, CA
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tirechains.com
Buy only chains with cams.
Buy V-bar chains.
https://www.tirechain.com/Tire-Chains-V-BAR.htm
I just drove 13 hours back from MT (Big Sky) last week. ~100 miles on white ice. I drove my Bronco 4x4 with studded Goodyear Duratrac snow tires.
But before I converted my E350 to 4x4, it was very squirrely on the rear end. It would get stuck in 6 inches of snow. Going up hill the rear tires would slip and could not push the van straight, rather the rear tires pushed the van sideways. So I ran the cam chains from tirechain.com with great success. I highly recommend them.
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2002 E350 ext.; 160K; 7.3L; 4R100 (w/4x4 deep pan & filter); 4x4 conv. w/2007 F250/F350 coil frnt axle (oppos. dual Bilstein press. shocks cured DW) diff chg from 3.55 to 3.73 (bad!); BW1356 t.c. (bad!); LT265/70R17/E Michelin LTX M/S2; Engel MT60 Combi Fridge-Freezer; 4 BP 380J pv panels; Auragen 5kw AC gen. in top alt. position; Webasto Dual-Top; Voyager top. 1995 5.8L EB Bronco, bone stock.
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02-17-2019, 12:24 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2009
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Schwab tires has tire chains/cables that you can purchase. Iff you have not used them, you can give them back. They will refund whatever you paid for the chains/cables. Just make sure whatever you buy will meet the requirements for each state you are traveling through.
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02-17-2019, 12:53 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Boise, Idaho
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Les Schwab has several types of chains. The Heavy Duty Quick fit diamond chains already mentioned are the best for lightweight use, like getting you past the checkpoint or over the highway pass. But they also have heavy duty big lug chains which are far better for serious snow and ice. But most people never need such heavy chains. I have both types, as I am a believer in chains. 4WD might get you up the hill if it isn't icy, but only chains will keep you from sliding downhill, or sideways into the ditch.
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02-17-2019, 12:55 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Boise, Idaho
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V-Bar chains are the best. Good call.
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02-17-2019, 01:08 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Sacramento Delta, CA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lchukar
Les Schwab has several types of chains. The Heavy Duty Quick fit diamond chains already mentioned are the best for lightweight use, like getting you past the checkpoint or over the highway pass. But they also have heavy duty big lug chains which are far better for serious snow and ice. But most people never need such heavy chains. I have both types, as I am a believer in chains. 4WD might get you up the hill if it isn't icy, but only chains will keep you from sliding downhill, or sideways into the ditch.
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Err... I should have mentioned that until they were stolen, I had a second set of wheels with studded snow tires on them for the Winter for both the Bronco and the E350 4x4.
I just replaced the ones for the Bronco and will eventually do so for the E350 4x4.
In 4x4 low with studded snow tires, the E350 has traction like a tractor...
But V-bar chains with 5 cams to tighten them like they could pop your tire will do very well indeed.
We have friends in Menan, ID (N. of Idaho Falls) whom we visit on these trips. E. ID is mostly flat but they leave a nice layer of snow/ice on the roads.
BTW it was -22F at the top of Lone Peak at Big Sky only -11 at the base. But cold enough to add black ice to the mix. The nice things about studded snow tires is that they are always on. Even on cold blue bird days when black ice is present.
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2002 E350 ext.; 160K; 7.3L; 4R100 (w/4x4 deep pan & filter); 4x4 conv. w/2007 F250/F350 coil frnt axle (oppos. dual Bilstein press. shocks cured DW) diff chg from 3.55 to 3.73 (bad!); BW1356 t.c. (bad!); LT265/70R17/E Michelin LTX M/S2; Engel MT60 Combi Fridge-Freezer; 4 BP 380J pv panels; Auragen 5kw AC gen. in top alt. position; Webasto Dual-Top; Voyager top. 1995 5.8L EB Bronco, bone stock.
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02-17-2019, 01:11 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 325
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I forgot to mention that if you are in a FWD van and need chains you should not be there.
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